sas5814 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) The AAPA HOD is coming soon and the preliminary docs have been published including statements from our 3 "pillars". They are all wordy and scholarly and sound wise-ish. Let me summarize them for those not inclined to read the whole thing(s). PAEA- It's too hard and we don't understand why we should. The doctors might get mad and not take our students on rotations. NCCPA- It's too hard and would cost us too much money ARC-PA- It's too hard. My favorite comment from all 3 docs? I couldn't make this up if I tried.... "Maybe we can re-brand PA to mean we assist patients." Yes...we can be patient assistants. We can also hang out in the hospital lobby with the candy stripers and push patients in wheelchairs to their appointments. One asked if we should really pass the costs of title change on to the young PAs. No we should wait until the profession shrinks to nothing while we collect "data" (a magical word in their world). Mostly what I read was ivory tower thinking far removed from the realities of getting things done in the trenches of legislative and regulatory realities. My head hurts and it's still early.... Edited April 21, 2021 by sas5814 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatMan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted April 21, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2021 *Starts filling out NP program applications* 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatMan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 How old will I be after med school and residency? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryOldPA Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Which specific resolution(s) are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Its the written statement the "pillars" added to the conversation before the HOD. This is in regards to the title change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Get me the NP degree and let me out of this sinking ship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryOldPA Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, sas5814 said: Its the written statement the "pillars" added to the conversation before the HOD. This is in regards to the title change So it’s not a resolution? Where can I find it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 if you an AAPA member it is here: HOD2021 Bottom of the page under Title Change Investigation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryOldPA Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Ah. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted April 21, 2021 Administrator Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, sas5814 said: . We can also hang out in the hospital lobby with the candy stripers and push patients in wheelchairs to their appointments... My spell check still thinks there should be two p's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 took me a sec..... that would change the definition of service... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Gawd.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Yea... I know their letters are long thoughtful things but if we keep getting bogged down in an eternal list of "what ifs" and "we need more data" we are never going to move an inch. What I hear is fear and a great deal of comfort with how it has always been. There has never been as much data on title change as there is right now and we paid over $1 million for it. Lets do SOMETHING for crying out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I really feel bad for young PA's with student loans and those now in PA school. Like....REALLY bad. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 hours ago, sas5814 said: PAEA- It's too hard and we don't understand why we should. The doctors might get mad and not take our students on rotations. NCCPA- It's too hard and would cost us too much money ARC-PA- It's too hard. PAEA I'm not too sure about. ARC-PA and NCCPA both have a ton of physicians on their boards are both are authoritarian monopolies. They can put their letters in a sunless place. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 To sum up the objections from ARC-PA and NCCPA et al..."Its too hard and we don't want to do anything so PA is better" C'mon Cryptocurrency...make me rich so I can quit this damn profession! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komorebi Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 hours ago, iconic said: Get me the NP degree and let me out of this sinking ship Our ship is taking on water as well, for different reasons. Just ask the 30,000+ annual NP graduates from for-profit online programs with no admission requirements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 retirement in 4 years 8 months and 2 days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, sas5814 said: retirement in 4 years 8 months and 2 days But who's counting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACali Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 15 hours ago, sas5814 said: My favorite comment from all 3 docs? I couldn't make this up if I tried.... "Maybe we can re-brand PA to mean we assist patients." PA = Patient Assistant ?! is this a April fool's joke? PAEA - Doing nothing other than help building bunch of PA schools, so they can get membership fees. ARCPA - Doing nothing other than allowing bunch of PA schools to be build right next to one another. NCCPA - Doing nothing other than collecting my money We spent all these time debating about MCP vs Associate. Guess what? we stay Assistant LOL 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted April 22, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 22, 2021 "OTP was going to cost millions and millions of dollars and take decades" in the past month there have been to many states enacting parts or all of OTP I have lost count. A few states have full OTP already! The "old guard" was wrong - it did not cost millions, nor did it take decades - took a few years and some effort I was just on a phone call discussion this week - and I am concerned the "old guard" is going to pull this same crap. This takes reaching out to your HOD representatives NOW - politely demand that they listen to you - that they change our name (ideally MCP as that is what fits us best) do it now as the meeting is coming up. https://www.aapa.org/about/aapa-governance-leadership/house-of-delegates/delegate-list/#M listing of delegates--your state agency should be able to provide contact info for them. It is do or die time. We need to advocate for out own profession right now. We are loosing each little battle, but the war is not lost. We need to advance rapidly. Of note one of the only formal items on the AAPA HOD meeting is a proposal to change the AAPA name to American Academy of Physician Associates. Not perfect, and might be a step in the wrong direction as the MCP (Medical Care Practitioner) was widely and noticeably better received by society and is FAR better descriptor of our amazing profession but at least a step. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 There is a move afoot to have a CO or caucus create a meaningful resolution before the HOD. Because the timeline has passed it requires a majority (I forget the percentage but I think it is 60%) of the HOD to approve allowing it. If that doesn't happen then an emergency resolution can be proposed but that requires 80% of the HOD to approve. If that doesn't happen there will be no vote on title change due to certain parlimentary rules I don't understand. After all the discussion I find this situation stunning. I can't decide if it just slipped through the cracks because everyone assumed it would be discussed so nobody thought to actually make a good resolution, if they were all just cowards and didn't want to put their name on contentious issue, or if there is some weird illuminati type conspiracy going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) I was in the HOD decades ago. I witnessed parliamentary maneuverings that would make Britain look like rank amateurs. One resolution (I forget about what) was summarily shot down. A high ranking AAPA person leapt into action with a motion to reconsider. A succession of other high ranking AAPA people sliced, diced and modified the resolution which narrowly passed as three separate resolutions essentially unchanged. It became pretty clear that what the "powers that be" wanted to pass was going to pass. People are not really interested in input. They want support for pre-conceived notions. Edited April 22, 2021 by CJAadmission 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGoLong Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 I remember talking with an AAPA executive in 2013 during the DC AAPA conference and telling her that our profession would not be successful without changes because our competition was doing a much better job of cementing their position. She said something that I loosely remember as "we're running our own race" or words to that effect. Fortunately the profession has since decided to make changes, first with OTP and now with the name and branding change on the horizon. It isn't surprising that some organizations (and people) would be opposed to change. It isn't necessarily Machiavellian; it's human inertia and often from people not actually in our marketplace. And there's always more data that could be collected. Just yesterday, I heard something related to all of this that made my mind flash to an imaginary scene on the sinking Titanic, with the engine crew engaging in a data mapping exercise to improve their "process" as the sound of crushing hull increrasingly interferes with their teambuilding exercise. I like to analyze data myself but I think the time for that is past. Better to go with incomplete information than to dawdle further. There comes a time when you just have to try something different. We decided to do exactly that when we spent the $1 million (to, among other things, collect data.) Is MCP my favorite name? Not sure, but it's good enough and what we've been doing for the last 15 years since I became a PA is not working well enough. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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