BirdDogPA Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 Does anyone know of a situation where a PA is a hospital CEO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kettle Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 I know of one that was intermin at a small hospital, that individual ran as fast as they could from that gig after a few months 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakaHoo Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 8 hours ago, kettle said: I know of one that was intermin at a small hospital, that individual ran as fast as they could from that gig after a few months Our hospital CEO makes about $1.4 million a year, and sees 0 patients… Cannot be that bad of a gig? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, BirdDogPA said: Does anyone know of a situation where a PA is a hospital CEO? Most PAs probably would not enjoy the requisite procedure where they suck out your soul through a small hole drilled in the back of your skull. Edited April 17, 2023 by CAAdmission 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourAveragePA Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 The current director of my facility (VA hospital/medical center) is a DNP. No other degrees (MBA, MHA, MPA, MPH, etc). Of the 7 people in the directors suite, aside from the Medical Director and Chief of Staff (both are MDs), everyone else is either an RN or NP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kettle Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 7 hours ago, ShakaHoo said: Our hospital CEO makes about $1.4 million a year, and sees 0 patients… Cannot be that bad of a gig? Small independent hospital, wage was only slightly higher than PA wage. Less than doc wage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted April 18, 2023 Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2023 Why is it that when a PA slots in to a Doc slot in Admin they are still paid as a PA?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted April 18, 2023 Administrator Share Posted April 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, ventana said: Why is it that when a PA slots in to a Doc slot in Admin they are still paid as a PA?? Because they didn't walk away when offered the bling title but not the commensurate bling. Cost of labor... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananapeppers Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 9 hours ago, YourAveragePA said: The current director of my facility (VA hospital/medical center) is a DNP. No other degrees (MBA, MHA, MPA, MPH, etc). Of the 7 people in the directors suite, aside from the Medical Director and Chief of Staff (both are MDs), everyone else is either an RN or NP. Do you work at the VA? I have 10 years of EM experience and have an upcoming interview with them next week in pain management. Position was opened to only physician assistant and when I went to look at other positions available, there was none for PAs. However, there were multiple listings for primary care, dermatology, etc. for NPs. I called HR to discuss and they weren't able to provide much details other than I needed a "NP license" to apply for those positions. I have a feeling the VA in my city is heavily NPs which raises a concern for me if I ever want a lateral movement/change at that facility. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 The VA, like most other hospital systems, has tons of nurses in leadership positions and very few PAs. Also NPs are independent practitioners and we aren't. Sound familiar? It should because it is that way nationally and is only getting worse. The VA is still the largest employer of PAs in the country. There are a lot of opportunities but they vary place to place because it is up to leadership to decide who each position gets advertised to. It can be a maddening place to work but so can corporate medicine. Pay is good and bennies are great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourAveragePA Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 I do work for the VA and am friends with a few PAs that have regional/administrative type positions. What has been happening lately is that most APP jobs lately have either solely been posted for NPs or it's dual posted for NP/PA. What happens most often is that the staff that filter the applicants are most often RNs or NPs themselves, therefore it is very, very difficult to beat out an NP for a position. In rare cases, the MDs have a preference for PAs and they push for it. Other interesting facts about VA PAs: - If you go to USAjobs.gov and search for "Physician Assistant", 709 results will pop up. If you search for "Nurse Practitioner", 2164 will pop up -Our licenses (with the exception of the DEA, which the fee is waived), and certifications are not paid or reimbursed....NPs are. - Scholarships for PAs to attain other degrees (DMSc, MBA, etc), are available but difficult to attain, and must be paid by the PA then reimbursed. RNs or NPs becoming DNPs have scholarships that are paid in full, up front. - A colleague of mine going from RN to BSN is being paid her FULL TIME salary to attend school full time and only work on her semester breaks. - The independent practitioner thing isn't really a big deal at the VA.....PAs don't have to have physician cosignatures any more so we effectively are able to practice independently - At least in my facility, every PA that retires or leaves is replaced by an NP - At my facility, the representative of the NNU (National Nurses United; the nursing union through the VA) has a custom parking spot right next to the Directors spot (for point of reference, the majority of the clinical staff have to park off site and take a shuttle to get to the building). She does not have any clinical duties whatsoever. The VA does pay well for PAs and is juuuust about on par with comparable NP salaries, however the advancement ceiling is much, much lower, which leads to a lot of burnout and resentment which affects moral. It's a good, stable job if you can get it, but it is certainly not good for an early-career PA. You'll be frustrated and bored within a few years for sure. Most PAs that work there are either mid-career and are there for the stability or counting down the last few years until retirement working a boring, slow, frustrating job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 50 minutes ago, YourAveragePA said: counting down the last few years until retirement working a boring, slow, frustrating job. that is me! Except it isn't boring because these are the sickest people I have ever cared for and resources are pretty thin. Its a challenge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWR Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) I vaguely remember hearing about a PA that was CEO at LIJ years ago. I believe his first name was Gary I think. He eventually left and now runs a B&B in New England. Maybe I was just dreaming????? Correction to my post. Gary was vice president of Winthrop Hospital and after leaving there went to Maine. Prior to Winthrop, he was President of NYSSPA among other things. Trying to stay on point here, he was not a CEO but VP of a well-known hospital on Long Island. Edited April 22, 2023 by TWR addendum and correction 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted April 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2023 The CEO of the John Hopkins EM group is a PA with an MBA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayamom Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 8 hours ago, TWR said: He eventually left and now runs a B&B in New England. Nice!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourAveragePA Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 TWR- There was PA at LIJ named Gary that was a lead PA back in the day but he's moved up the ranks to pretty high up in the health system, Senior Administrative Director. He most certainly put his time in (he's been working with them for 30+ years as a PA) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 A lot of these failing EM groups have PAs in leadership.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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