EDtech Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just curious of what everyone's thoughts are about the Lynchburg College DMSc program? This seems like a pretty big advancement, a doctoral level degree being offered for PAs by a PA school but I haven't been able to find much discussion about it. Personally I think it's a pretty fair program that gives the opportunity to enhance clinical knowledge and learn some basics of hospital admin/leadership. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdDogPA Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I plan to do it. It seems like a reasonable way for PAs that want to be in administration or teach get a doctorate without spending 100k and 3+ years getting a PhD. https://www.lynchburg.edu/graduate/physician-assistant-medicine/doctor-of-medical-science/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ran2much Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Birddogpa - Did you do it (DMSc from Lynchburg)? I just applied. If so, Im sure you are done now. Curious what you're doing. I graduated from PA school 9 years ago. I figure I will pursue it because after 10 years... it may give me more options.... whether I exercise my options right away or down the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted March 8, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 8, 2019 waiting (hoping) for a more affordable option Nebraska maybe? thinking one year and 10-15k is about all I have in me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miaow Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I just finished it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted April 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted April 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, Miaow said: I just finished it. were you in my class or Dr Watkins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 It probably isn't too competitive because this is an idea that is just gaining traction. Now would be a good time to get in. I suspect in time it will be expected of us though that will take several years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted April 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted April 5, 2019 the first entry level doctoral program opens in 2021... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 It also begs the question.... Med schools are talking about shrinking to 3 years. We go to entry level doctorate. Why not go to med school? Still have that pesky residency.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAtoMD Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, sas5814 said: It also begs the question.... Med schools are talking about shrinking to 3 years. We go to entry level doctorate. Why not go to med school? Still have that pesky residency.... My understanding is there a pushback on the 3 year programs. The old guard looks down on them cause they went through 4 years and hate to see others that did not do the same. However, in my circumstance I hope the schools i apply to all change to 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted April 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted April 5, 2019 58 minutes ago, brandonhughey said: Still forming my opinions on ENTRY level doctorates... Cost seems like an issue... PAs make ok $$$ but many doctoral programs now-a-days are $100k+ tuition. What are your thoughts? entry level doctoral program likely not more than MS + DMSc. might as well get it done with and save yourself a year. it is not any longer than an ms program. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted April 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted April 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, sas5814 said: It also begs the question.... Med schools are talking about shrinking to 3 years. We go to entry level doctorate. Why not go to med school? Still have that pesky residency.... and mcats...and ochem...and biochem... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I took ochem and biochem...and hated it It was part of our program Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAtoMD Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, EMEDPA said: and mcats...and ochem...and biochem... Medical schools are moving away from required prereqs. Now these schools do have "recommended course work" which may be a euphemism for prerequisite. Two off the top of my head are Vandy and Wake. Edited April 5, 2019 by PAtoMD clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted April 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted April 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, sas5814 said: I took ochem and biochem...and hated it It was part of our program never took either. it was why I applied PA instead of MD. I made a mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miaow Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 3 hours ago, EMEDPA said: were you in my class or Dr Watkins? I had Elyse Watkins as a teacher I believe. Global Health? It all feels like a blur. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnedintoamartian Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 I think it’s become more common for PA programs to require nearly the same science background as med school. Every program I looked at (including where I eventually attended) required biochem and usually to take bio you need organic. We need parity with NP’s but I’m not sure on the path there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiovolffemtp Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 When I was looking into PA school and DO school the local PA schools actually required more undergrad prereqs, primarily a year of A&P with a lab. The med schools did that in their 1st year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1234 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 On 4/5/2019 at 4:02 PM, EMEDPA said: never took either. it was why I applied PA instead of MD. I made a mistake. I took Orgo 1/2 with lab and upper division biochem with lab and did not apply to medical school. Some days I think I made a mistake, but when I look at my life style and my budget looks like I can retire at 59 1/2 with over a million bucks in my nest egg I don't feel sad anymore! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdDogPA Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 I will be graduating in a few weeks and the DMSc is already paying off some. Helped to secure a new job that pays a premium and have gotten my first request to guest lecture. Also using it to satisfy some of the requirements to sit for CAQ-EM exam. On 4/5/2019 at 2:19 PM, brandonhughey said: Looking to apply straight out of PA school. Hoping it makes early transisition into academia or leadership smoother. Heard from Dr. Rust that admissions weren’t too competitive. Also seems like a good idea to get “even” with DNPs (sigh*). Doesn’t seem to be geared towards improving clinical skills though. Edit: you also won’t have to deal with people saying DNPs are “more educated”. Lol 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miaow Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Despite a fairly steady amount of griping (from me and a few others) about some of the aspects of the program, I found it to be useful and that I often cite examples in day-to-day practice and teaching of things that I learned. Overall, a worthwhile endeavor. Necessary? Not really but I have been a PA for over 15 years and was excited to advance my degree in a relatively short period of time and for what was a very fair price (IMO). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSCH Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 How was the "PA Practicum" structured? I've wondered this about the other PA doctorates as well. My understanding is you just do your normal job and have some extra assignments/papers/presentations related to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiaccritmaster Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 @brandonhughey Congrats on finishing program!! May I ask how you felt about workload throughout program? I recently received m acceptance and will be starting in July. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoTrion Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 I graduated earlier this year and felt that the workload was appropriate. I did have to set aside specific time away from the family or from work to get things done. If you are disciplined enough to do that then you shouldn't have a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikespa12 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 hours ago, NeoTrion said: I graduated earlier this year and felt that the workload was appropriate. I did have to set aside specific time away from the family or from work to get things done. If you are disciplined enough to do that then you shouldn't have a problem. Graduated as well from DMSc. Agree with workload being appropriate. Lot of reading/writing and posting on the message board. Expect 10-15 hours of work per week I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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