CAdamsPAC Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I came across this article in today's Army Times online. White House seeks to get vets health-care jobs By Andrew Tilghman - Staff writer Posted : Tuesday Oct 25, 2011 11:09:16 EDT The White House has launched an effort to help out-of-work veterans find health-care jobs after returning to the civilian world. That effort will include trying to get local community health care centers to hire 8,000 veterans — roughly one per health center nationwide — during the next several years. Those federally funded health centers will also have to start reporting on their veterans hiring practices, White House officials said. Another related health-care job initiative aims to help veterans with military medical experience get training as physician’s assistants. Specifically, the White House said it will give priority in federal grant awards to colleges and universities that help train veterans for physician’s assistant careers. The White House announced the efforts Tuesday as part of President Obama’s broader mission to reduce veterans’ unemployment, which is especially high among the youngest veterans who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. The focus of Tuesday’s new initiatives is to help veterans from enlisted medical career fields use those skills to get similar jobs in the civilian sector. “Military medics gain invaluable health care training and experience on the battlefield and it’s important for us to help them find ways to put those skills to use when they return home,” said Mary Wakefield of the federal Health Resources and Services Administration during a conference call with reporters Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted October 25, 2011 Moderator Share Posted October 25, 2011 I just heard it on NPR today. Really interested what this all means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted October 25, 2011 Moderator Share Posted October 25, 2011 it means now is the time for military medics to apply to pa school in huge numbers and make a dent in the current trend of admitting candy strippers to pa school.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAdamsPAC Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 it means now is the time for military medics to apply to pa school in huge numbers and make a dent in the current trend of admitting candy strippers to pa school.... Do you think the "Academics" are ready for a surge of strong willed proven adult life experience PA students who won't drink the "Kool-Aid"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted October 25, 2011 Moderator Share Posted October 25, 2011 Do you think the "Academics" are ready for a surge ofstrong willed proven adult life experience PA students who won't drink the "Kool-Aid"? not the program I graduated from...... I was more thinking that the community health clinics would have to report veteran hiring.... ;-) puts me above all non x-military types..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAdamsPAC Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 not the program I graduated from...... I was more thinking that the community health clinics would have to report veteran hiring.... ;-) puts me above all non x-military types..... Many of the Community Health Clinics serve a lot of Kool Aid while singing Kumbaya too. I thrills me that the program will move vets higher up in the selection process and those programs that don't bring more on board will take a hit in the wallet!!! My alma mater will remain in the forefront of having experienced adult PA students!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LESH Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Do you think the "Academics" are ready for a surge ofstrong willed proven adult life experience PA students who won't drink the "Kool-Aid"? Can't speak for all the "Academics" nor would I even think I could. But CA I am on this in my little part of the brave new PA world. Still standing the wall. lol Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primadonna22274 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 This was not "news" to me (think I saw a HRSA grant announcement about this a while back) but let me just say: Hallelujah and Amen! Spent a good hour on the phone today with a longtime family friend who was worried she picked the wrong PA program since most of her class is 22 with zero hours HCE and questions are not tolerated...unfortunately I think she did pick the wrong program but that's not very helpful to her. I have also taught with folks who find those with previous life experience/HCE/time on earth "more difficult to teach". Sigh. Some folks hate to be challenged. How mundane their lives must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Administrator rev ronin Posted October 26, 2011 Administrator Share Posted October 26, 2011 Do you think the "Academics" are ready for a surge of strong willed proven adult life experience PA students who won't drink the "Kool-Aid"? Do not underestimate the power of the federal government to "go big or go home". Anyone remember helmet laws and 55 MPH speed limits? Pro veteran, plus pro affordable health care... It's entirely possible that this administration could pull a game changer in veteran PA placement, and that the Republicans might not care to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAdamsPAC Posted October 26, 2011 Author Share Posted October 26, 2011 Can't speak for all the "Academics" nor would I even think I could. But CA I am on this in my little part of the brave new PA world. Still standing the wall. lol Les Les ! I think you those of whom I am speaking about.......and those that I am not speaking of ,along with where you and those of your ilk stand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Do you think the "Academics" are ready for a surge ofstrong willed proven adult life experience PA students who won't drink the "Kool-Aid"? Not the program I am in either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LESH Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Les ! I think you those of whom I am speaking about.......and those that I am not speaking of ,along with where you and those of your ilk stand! I'll know more after next week's PAEA meeting. I think programs can reserve seats for qualified applicants (under certain conditions) if it does not conflict with ARC-PA standards. There could be a catch 22. I think the BOP cut a deal with some programs years ago but dont remember the particulars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyflyPAC Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 LesH, Do you know anything about additional funding or grants for those of us already in PA school? My GI Bill leaves me with my last year unfunded. I could really use the help. Any advice from anyone here would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrthoSurgeryPA Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 The military itself has really ramped up it's effort to improve compenstion for PAs and recruit better clinicians. Admittedly the Navy has been the slowest to come forward but nonetheless I anticipate retention will not be affected as much as it would have been prior to the latest instruction change. Any thoughts on coming back Navy? Most of us only obligated to serve 3 years and then take it year by year. Being an Officer is not like enlisting. As long as you have no obligation you can request a release from AD. Most do not know this. Take a look at this link: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/DTM-09-009.pdf There are now fellowship opportunities in Ortho and EM with more options coming in the furture. Yes, you will deploy. No, I cannot tell you how soon after coming on AD. But I can tell you that the exeperience I gained leading, yes leading, a trauma team in a remote environment has been invaluable. Age may be a factor but there is a waiver for almost everything nowadays and every year of AD will subtract from the eligibility limit. Just food for thought on "additional funding"... -Navy PA-C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friction Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Joelseff "likes" this post... Joel, myself, also really likes this post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyflyPAC Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 @ Navy PA-C: Hey man. Thanks for responding. Yeah, I was an enlisted marine from 92-96 (reserve side), and then was commissioned line officer from 2000-2008. Believe me, I loved the officer side of the house. I also loved flying, but put it by the wayside. I'm older than most PA students. Missing the birth of my second son was a real bummer and we were deployed more than the standard 6 months. I flew P-3 Orions and was away quite a bit between surges and deployments. Then they IA's came :). Augmenting the army as a winged aviator to play Battaliion EWO. So, as a family unit, we decided that I had done my part and playing dad was more important. I was hoping some of the VA money would free up and maybe one of these programs they used to have might help out. I know they used to payback loans in exchange for sticking with them. Funny part is, they're my first choice of work even without the funding. I'd like to do ortho and help some of the guys coming home with IED injuries, etc. Believe me, my heart is still there, I just don't have the resources personally to still wear a uniform. Additionally, my wife is an exec for a local company and loves her job. Now, if the navy had a gig for full time reserve PA's here in my area (with limited deployments and NO IA's) , I'd be all over it. Just ain't moving again :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyflyPAC Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Navy PA- Just out of curiosity, I read the instruction. It almost looks like you aren't eligible for AB if you take HPSP- or until you complete the time you owe through HPSP. See 1.a.(4). Or can you get both? Can you clarify here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADaviano Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 So With this new bill does this me I should probably look into trying to go to PA school on the civilian side instead of trying to go through IPAP? Also, given I have been in a While and really am burnt out from all my deployments I am actually in the middle of # 3 in the last 4 years right now (im sitting in a tent in Afghanistan posting this). I have been married for three and barely know what my wife looks like in person anymore and I dont want to lose her because she means more to me then the military does, we have know each other since before the military. So, I was wondering should I go to another service like the coast guard where I will have the option to not deploy anymore and try to go to IPAP and become a PA that way? Or should I just get out and go to a civilian program and use my post 9/11 GI bil? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrthoSurgeryPA Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Navy PA- Just out of curiosity, I read the instruction. It almost looks like you aren't eligible for AB if you take HPSP- or until you complete the time you owe through HPSP. See 1.a.(4). Or can you get both? Can you clarify here? Well good to "meet" you navyfly. You have def been around then! Yes, I read it the same and have been advised by BUMED that if you come in under HPSP that is an educational commitment (ADSO) therefore you cannot get the AB. You can get the IP though and just have to agree to a contract with at least (1) year of retention language. Most direct accessions take the (3) year ADSO although there is no minimum requirement or incentive to sign up for a longer contract. If you agree to overseas assignment then you have to agree to a (3) year contract with dependents. Otherwise the Navy is still doing 2 year orders overeseas for unaccompanied. The next time you "re-up" after the initial AB you can sign a multi-year contract for the RB and the pay-out will be based on number of years. Currently it is $20K/year for a 4 year contract. Again IP is also authorized at $5K/ year. I know this is all academic though since you have the desire to see your family on a regular basis. You have done your time and served with honor so I wish you the best in your future endeavors. -Navy PA-C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newguy Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 ADaviano, I remember being you Brother. Not sure about advice for you, look in old threads about IPAP, civilian, etc. Keep driving on my friend. Soon you'll be able to savor the freedom that you have temporarily enslaved yourself to protect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Good news. These guys deserve a chance if they can do the science. I do hope programs don't dumb down the admission process though. We need both life tested and smart people in the field. p.s. Before anyone freaks out at my "dumb down" comment just know I am a USAF Desert-Storm vet., and I went to PA school after my service so I know of what I speak :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrthoSurgeryPA Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 So With this new bill does this me I should probably look into trying to go to PA school on the civilian side instead of trying to go through IPAP? Also, given I have been in a While and really am burnt out from all my deployments I am actually in the middle of # 3 in the last 4 years right now (im sitting in a tent in Afghanistan posting this). I have been married for three and barely know what my wife looks like in person anymore and I dont want to lose her because she means more to me then the military does, we have know each other since before the military. So, I was wondering should I go to another service like the coast guard where I will have the option to not deploy anymore and try to go to IPAP and become a PA that way? Or should I just get out and go to a civilian program and use my post 9/11 GI bil? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. I was on the Navy HPSP scholarship (one of the first!) so I was commissioned as a reserve officer from the enlisted ranks and attended a civilian PA program. I am sure that some of the IPAPers here can give you good advice though. GL. -Navy PA-C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawag Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 it means now is the time for military medics to apply to pa school in huge numbers and make a dent in the current trend of admitting candy strippers to pa school.... Totally agree!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsfelder0417 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 For what it's worth, I am a military medic that is taking advantage of the veteran friendly atmosphere. I am in the process of transitioning off of active duty and into a civilian PA program. Using the Post 9-11 GI Bill along with the Yellow Ribbon program to cover the financial aspect, I am well set up for success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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