deltawave Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 ARC-PA just said they have no authority over the title, as another speaker seemed to think they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSPAC2 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 This is too good. I'm bummed I'm missing all of this. Thank you for the updates! I'm curious what the Washington state delegates have to say. Might be keeping my membership money this year if they oppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted May 21, 2021 Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, deltawave said: Not sure on that point, but the overwhelming majority are for change. I would be absolutely floored if there is no title change. There have been some anti-change, but almost all are emotional and personal instead of logical or based on facts and data. I think there will be name change if the testimony is any indication, but I’m afraid it’s going to be associate as a middle ground. It’ll help me not cringe when I state the name, but I’m afraid it’s not going to help outside of making us feel better instead of with jobs and legislation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltawave Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 minute ago, LT_Oneal_PAC said: I think there will be name change if the testimony is any indication, but I’m afraid it’s going to be associate as a middle ground. It’ll help me not cringe when I state the name, but I’m afraid it’s not going to help outside of making us feel better instead of with jobs and legislation. I would concur with this assessment, unfortunately. We should move all the way forward to MCP. Keeping PA just kicks the can down the road. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 On the HOD now...Lots of old heads loving Physician Associate for all the repeated reasons... Ihave heard one person testify about MCP being favored in NY after previously being least favored 4 weeks prior. So, after consideration many PAs favored MCP after previously favoring Physician Associate ( I being one of them) and that person brought up potential AAPA income loss due to drop in membership due to frustration from PAs if AAPA does not act on this ...I definitely will drop membership if they again fail us... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltawave Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 As will I. I will drop my membership faster than you can say assistant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) One guy just gave an impassioned testimony that Associate is "in our DNA" then went on about how comparing us to NPs is detrimental :facepalm: Seriously dude? theyre kicking our assess in the job market! But calling us practitioners is bad because of that...man...I think they will kill the resolution lots of con testimony but if it passes, MCP is out...just my opinion. Edited May 21, 2021 by Joelseff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) The PA-S that has been pro MCP all this time is my hero! Edited May 21, 2021 by Joelseff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 What in the actually F. WE ARE NOT ASSOCIATES WE ARE PRACTITIONERS FFS. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted May 21, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, deltawave said: As will I. I will drop my membership faster than you can say assistant. 7 minutes ago, deltawave said: As will I. I will drop my membership faster than you can say assistant. not so fast the real meat is the push to OTP We all stop joining AAPA, monies dry up, no funds for OTP and we all loose...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 They moved on. Now talking about Doctorate as entry level degree... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltawave Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) Well, in summation: it was ~4.5 hours of people clamoring for some sort of title change. Many great points for MCP over PAnything. Edited May 21, 2021 by deltawave 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted May 21, 2021 Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Joelseff said: They moved on. Now talking about Doctorate as entry level degree... The OPTION for schools to offer an entry level doctorate, I believe is more correct. An interesting topic I didn’t realize was on the agenda. clarification: the resolution being discussed is to OPPOSE doctorate entry level, not that they make it mandatory. So if passed it limits school and student choice to have a entry level doctorate if the market desired it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted May 21, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2021 Who is sponsoring OPPOSING an entry level doctorate??? PAEA??? I sure hope not - it is just showing how out of touch some people in our profession are!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, deltawave said: Well, in summation: it was ~4.5 hours of people clamoring for some sort of title change. Many great points for MCP over PAnything. Oh Ok...I just jumped in an hour ago...had patients all day. I can stay on another half hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltawave Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Joelseff said: Oh Ok...I just jumped in an hour ago...had patients all day. I can stay on another half hour. They have moved on to other topics. On Doctorate education now. Edited May 21, 2021 by deltawave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, ventana said: Who is sponsoring OPPOSING an entry level doctorate??? PAEA??? I sure hope not - it is just showing how out of touch some people in our profession are!!! I think PAEA was pro...not sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) Having a hard time keeping up what "Pro" and "Con" actually means on these resolutions I'm dense... I know... Hahahah Edit: OK... Pro to the doctorate resolution right now means they are against "Entry Level" doctorates but not to oppose tracks for doctorates. Edited May 21, 2021 by Joelseff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltawave Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 When will we know about the final votes? Are they made public? Does a vote for title change mean its happening or can they stall at the 11th hour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Just now, deltawave said: When will we know about the final votes? Are they made public? Does a vote for title change mean its happening or can they stall at the 11th hour? I think they vote on Monday... Plenty of time for back alley dealings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACali Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, deltawave said: Well, in summation: it was ~4.5 hours of people clamoring for some sort of title change. Many great points for MCP over PAnything. I was actually surprised to hear more pro-MCP supporters. I highly doubt they will ignore all that and the WPP report. My prediction is they will agree with the change, but will give one more year to make a decision on the Title. It's ganna be associate vs MCP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltawave Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 My hope is that they do not stall on title change. Why do we need a year? It has been years already. Let's get this thing going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACali Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, deltawave said: My hope is that they do not stall on title change. Why do we need a year? It has been years already. Let's get this thing going. I agree with you. I don't need another year and you don't either. We are all very informed on this topic and I think MCP is the way to go. Unfortunately mostly of PAs have no clue. Some barely read the TCI report this week. I have been analyzing, listening and debating for the past 6 months since the report came out. AAPA did nothing other than releasing the report. They could've done more open discussions on this topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airslant Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 So on Monday we find out if there will be a change but not necessarily to what title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted May 21, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2021 would rather wait a year for MCP then just get in PAssociate now.... I really think people will warm up to the idea once they think about it and learn the pro's of it are not for us but for EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!!! Which does nothing but help us in the long run.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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