delco714 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Just got July 18 jaapa..normally don't open it immediately... Decided to read the sepsis attached "supplement" ...written by a nurse with too many initials. Look at my blue underline.. Can any one explain? Thx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delco714 Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 Better pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkertdm Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Were there no PAs available to write this article? Maybe they were busy writing articles for the np journals. I'm not saying Ms Seckel doesn't know what she's talking about; I'm sure she does. I'm saying are there literally no PAs who could have done so? Aren't we capable of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 7, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 7, 2018 she probably wrote it for an NP journal, but they didn't accept it so she turned to us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beattie228 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 While I don't necessarily advocate for a 'them vs us' initiative, JAAPA editors shouldn't be turning to NPs to author papers. I've not looked into it, but I'm all but sure the Journal for Nurse Practitioners wouldn't allow a PA to write for their publication. PAs as a whole need to be more steadfast in maintaining our seat at the table. Of all the Hospitalist PAs out there, surely they could have tapped a highly qualified IM PA to author the piece. No disrespect intended for Ms Seckel. I haven't read the piece but I'm sure she did a fine job with it. I just think the opportunity for publication should have been given to a PA given it's a 'For PAs, by PAs' journal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamPAC Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, delco714 said: Look at my blue underline.. Can any one explain? May be an assumption that her PA audience is too cavalier to consult with their IM Physician even if not comfortable assessing whether a septic shock pt. is still hypovolemic. That's the way I take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGoLong Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 To me, it looked like a reprint, being in a separate binder etc. As if some pharma company paid for it and provided it to JAAPA. You could ask them. If it was a JAAPA article, I would have expected it to be inside the usual magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delco714 Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 To me, it looked like a reprint, being in a separate binder etc. As if some pharma company paid for it and provided it to JAAPA. You could ask them. If it was a JAAPA article, I would have expected it to be inside the usual magazine.It was no doubt a mass produced article. What does that have to do with the content and presentation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGoLong Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 5 hours ago, delco714 said: It was no doubt a mass produced article. What does that have to do with the content and presentation? Only that it probably wasn’t tailored to PAs but included as some of the information might be of interest. I suppose we could get all worked up about it, but there is enough else in the world going on that this article is probably pretty far down the list. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkertdm Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 To me, the idea that an np is more qualified for this topic (both writing about it and dealing with it) than an appropriately trained pa is insidiously creeping into everyone's subconscious. An appropriately trained pa is equal to an np. Period. Don't care about the PhD they have. The letters don't add anything more to their ability to care for a patient. Why should a PA (now, I'm talking with similar background, not fp or psych) have to run it by anyone and an np doesn't? Because the have to write PhD? Granted, I'm not an expert on anything. But neither is an np with similar background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted July 8, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 8, 2018 To be fair, my current hospital and the military refers to PAs and NPs as “licensed independent practitioners” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delco714 Posted July 8, 2018 Author Share Posted July 8, 2018 To be fair, my current hospital and the military refers to PAs and NPs as “licensed independent practitioners”Fairness is good. Appreciate that input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlottew Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Yep, my standard letter to primary care physicians asks them to call and ask for the "LIP taking care of Mr. Jones" if they have any questions. That is easier than writing 'resident, physician assistant or nurse practitioner'. And less smarmy than 'provider. Seems to be clear enough - I have never gotten a query about what LIP means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicinePower Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Six sets of post-nominals? OMG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 11, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, MedicinePower said: Six sets of post-nominals? OMG. what's wrong with that? Emedpa, PA, DHSc, MS, BS, BA, EMT-P, CAQ(EM), DFAAPA, Sr Member SEMPA yes, I'm kidding. more than 2 is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delco714 Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 Yep, my standard letter to primary care physicians asks them to call and ask for the "LIP taking care of Mr. Jones" if they have any questions. That is easier than writing 'resident, physician assistant or nurse practitioner'. And less smarmy than 'provider. Seems to be clear enough - I have never gotten a query about what LIP means.PA aren't licensed independent practitioners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalPalm Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 On July 7, 2018 at 10:42 PM, LT_Oneal_PAC said: To be fair, my current hospital and the military refers to PAs and NPs as “licensed independent practitioners” Yes, I was going to say the same as well. Our policies typically say "licensed independent practitioners (MD/DO/PA/NP)". Also it looks like the person that wrote the article is not an NP, but a Clinical Nurse Specialist (CNS). I wouldn't read anything into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted July 12, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 12, 2018 4 hours ago, delco714 said: On 7/9/2018 at 7:23 PM, charlottew said: Yep, my standard letter to primary care physicians asks them to call and ask for the "LIP taking care of Mr. Jones" if they have any questions. That is easier than writing 'resident, physician assistant or nurse practitioner'. And less smarmy than 'provider. Seems to be clear enough - I have never gotten a query about what LIP means. PA aren't licensed independent practitioners Depends on who you ask and what are you defining as independent. The license may be tied to someone else but they make independent decisions. They may work at a facility like mine, where they are stated as such. In the military it specifically says they have a collaborative physician and hold independent privileges with them listed under LIP section along with psychologist, podiatrists, NP, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk732 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 8:39 PM, MedicinePower said: Six sets of post-nominals? OMG. Canadian military calls it "LCF" for "Look Cool Factor"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAdamsPAC Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 On 7/7/2018 at 6:42 PM, LT_Oneal_PAC said: To be fair, my current hospital and the military refers to PAs and NPs as “licensed independent practitioners” An error to my thoughts, PA's are not "Licensed Independent Practitioners". I think more than a few state licensing boards would not be happy to hear of PAs claiming or being assigned this title and expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted August 9, 2018 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 9:51 PM, EMEDPA said: what's wrong with that? Emedpa, PA, DHSc, MS, BS, BA, EMT-P, CAQ(EM), DFAAPA, Sr Member SEMPA yes, I'm kidding. more than 2 is ridiculous. humm maybe I should get this on my card (oops I don't have any cards) to compete with the nursing lobby ventana, AS, BA, MS, MBA, PA-C, DFAAPA, FO2, Revered Son, awesome husband, Assistant professor of life, generally good dude..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCEMPA Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 My current employer also refers to both NP/PA's as LIPs. While not a universally accepted title, I honestly believe that based on her background and the intended audience, the author was simply trying to be all encompassing. This article was solely written for the education of the reader, not meant to be divisive. If you got something out of it, that is all that should matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surgblumm Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just a couple of comments. I think that EMPA is correct in that the NP Journals are extremely scholastic and there is a bountiful supply of writers who need to publish for their DNP. That being said, PAs and their publications have become increasingly scholastic but there are few PAs who have a penchant for writing. Jordan Roberts put out a call for those that are interested but I know he is not swamped. We cannot complain unless we first author an article and experience the joy of childbirth. Lastly, I write often as I have since my childhood and my purpose is to create enthusiasm and to educate. Not everything I write is published, JAAPA has only published me once and I think it is because I do not write by their rules. I speak to NP audiences frequently and have only been in an NP publication once. It was probably an emotionally charged article. If they have enough NP authors they need not go to this humble PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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