Boatswain2PA Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Cool, thanks. Its crazy that people take 60K to practice medicine. Seems insulting to other PAs and the profession in general. I understand thinking that way but it is what it is. If you are from a specific city, go to PA school in that city, and you don't want to leave that city (which also has 2 NP programs) then you might get stuck with a $60-$80K job. My first job offer was $32.50/hr. Probable average pay here is about $45/hr which means for every guy making $140K there are five making $80K. This is an area where many FP docs probably only make $150K, a gallon of milk can be found on sale for $2.00, gas is $2.40, and you can buy a McMansion for $150K. Median household income in this city is about $40K, so $80K is double that with one earner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatChecko Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 What does "well above" mean here?10 to 20K. Plenty also took jobs that paid less, but still well. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh18 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Where are they practicing? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatChecko Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Where are they practicing? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Florida and some scattered states on the east coast. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightbearer06 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Everyone knows someone who makes a lot of money...I think its funny that no one has come forward to say that they make these numbers. Especially $200k+. Could be that they have no time to visit a forum like this...could also be that all of this is anecdotal evidence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 30, 2015 Moderator Share Posted June 30, 2015 i personally know a handful of PAs making 200K +. They have no lives outside of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moy505 Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 i personally know a handful of PAs making 200K +. They have no lives outside of work. Didn't you say you were/are a workaholic (16+ shifts)? Would you mind sharing how much you make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Also important to distinguish between gross 1099 pay and net income. I will gross over $140K this year, but net income will be much lower after expenses (travel, meals, CME, and then paying extortionist lawyers at the insurance company to protect me from other extortionist lawyers). And then I put a lot of that money into building a real estate business, which drops my net income much lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonlegit Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 There are always going to be anecdotes to share; I'm not saying don't believe them, I'm saying don't be surprised by them. That being said, its exciting to see that one could be compensated fairly in EM. As much as I love an adventure, I'm not sure I could sell my wife on Baghdad or 2 weeks on/2 off on an oil rig. Hopefully these jobs mentioned are all "normal" EM jobs. We have multiple RNs here that make 150k with a moderate (4 12s per week) amount of OT. One of my favorite residents is gonna knock out his debt load by working in Texas somewhere close to the border for 500k a year (and no losing sleep over the lawyers!). We have another very profitable EM group locally where partners make bank as well, although you do have to buy in, sweat equity, the whole nine. So its a fun topic, but there is usually an explanation, as G. Brothers touched on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 1, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 1, 2015 My range is 135-155k/yr based on amount of overtime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moy505 Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 My range is 135-155k/yr based on amount of overtime. So is your low end (135k) with zero overtime? According to my OP, in this thread, you could make 135k working 13-14shifts/mo with the posted job. I know you prioritize autonomy/respect over salary, but could you potentially sell your soul and make more $ for the same amount of hours (with less autonomy)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paproof Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I work with multiple PAs that make over 200K/yr working 8 hour shifts. 1099 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalPA Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 ^^ EM PAs? How is $200k possible with 8 hr shifts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 2, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 2, 2015 ^^ EM PAs? How is $200k possible with 8 hr shifts? it isn't. those folks work 12+ hrs/day most days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted July 2, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 2, 2015 So is your low end (135k) with zero overtime? According to my OP, in this thread, you could make 135k working 13-14shifts/mo with the posted job. I know you prioritize autonomy/respect over salary, but could you potentially sell your soul and make more $ for the same amount of hours (with less autonomy)? I have not had a single year without overtime since I started working as a PA. it just comes with the territory. in a hypothetical world of no overtime/extra shifts covering sick leave/pregnancy/etc I would probably make around 120-125k. hard to say with 3 jobs, each with a different rate of pay, shift differentials, pay for production, etc. to answer the 2nd part of your question- if it was all about the money I would have stayed at the hmo job I left 5 years ago. when I left there as a senior pa at the top of tthe union pay scale I was making more than the fp docs....wasn't worth it. if I was still there with guaranteed twice yearly raises and shift differentials I would probably be close to 200k without overtime. still not worth it. oh, I would also have 12 weeks/yr of vacation, a week for cme with pay, sabbatical every 6 yrs, big money for cme and non-cme college courses, etc. still not worth it. the job was soul-sucking. every morning a call at 6 am asking if I wanted overtime that day. so glad to be out. I was there long enough that they owe me a nice pension in 20 years or so though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakinsola Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I'm just a Pre-PA but honestly, this is what I like about the profession. You choose how hard you want to work. If you want a whole bunch of money then pick up more hours. If you're fine with what you have then you're fine with what you have. If you'd be fine making even less, drop some hours if you can. It's all about what you're comfortable with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paproof Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 ^^ EM PAs? How is $200k possible with 8 hr shifts? Monthly RVU-based productivity bonuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybuta Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Neurosurgery PA for 12 years now . Base Salary 130k. $4500 CME annual allowance. 401k with 10% match and fairly good health/dental/vision benefits. I take call 1 weekend a month and receive $600. I'm now being asked to consider taking the pager M-TH from 5pm to 8am for 1 week a month. Going into the negotiation I'm going to ask that the weekend call be increased to $1000 and the M-TH evening call to be $250 a night. Currently I average 150K annually in pay however quality of life is now becoming equally as important as the all mighty dollar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediMike Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Have a new grad friend who got picked up as a 1099 in the PNW pulling in $96/hr after 6 months. 9hr shifts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebero Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Have a new grad friend who got picked up as a 1099 in the PNW pulling in $96/hr after 6 months. 9hr shifts. Where is this? I am so coming ! Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfIghter23 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Where is this? I am so coming ! Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk Actually it's probably not much better than a standard EM offer. There are so many negatives and extra work you have to do to be a 1099 it wouldnt be worth it unless >$110-120 /hr Also just my opinion. Probably not a lot of benefits offered by the employer either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Actually it's probably not much better than a standard EM offer. There are so many negatives and extra work you have to do to be a 1099 it wouldnt be worth it unless >$110-120 /hr Also just my opinion. Probably not a lot of benefits offered by the employer either. Again, depends on location. There are areas where the PA profession is saturated, or nearly saturated, and it is driving down income. Also gotta look at the cost of living of areas. In the city I currently live in PAs often make as little as $45/hr, but I just looked at a 3 bd/2ba 2400 sq ft home on 80 acres of mixed land (40 acres grassland, 40 acres of woods, with a spring fed stream and a 50X100 barn plus multiple other outbuildings) that was priced at $300K. A house with property like this in some places would go for 3 MILLION, not $300K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceBanner Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Again, depends on location. There are areas where the PA profession is saturated, or nearly saturated, and it is driving down income. Yep, it's called Denver. I precept local PA students and some of them have been getting job offers as low as $65k a year. Also gotta look at the cost of living of areas. In the city I currently live in PAs often make as little as $45/hr, but I just looked at a 3 bd/2ba 2400 sq ft home on 80 acres of mixed land (40 acres grassland, 40 acres of woods, with a spring fed stream and a 50X100 barn plus multiple other outbuildings) that was priced at $300K. A house with property like this in some places would go for 3 MILLION, not $300K. WHERE IS THIS?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgnellis1 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I make over $250k per year...but the majority is 1099 income. I work 6 24hr shifts/month in a rural solo-coverage ER, its $110k/yr with really good benefits. I accept lower pay here for lower volume. Then I make the majority of my income in working 4-5 24hr shifts/month doing 1099 work at other ERs for $95-110/hr. One of these is a solo-coverage high acuity 10,000 annual visit ER. Thats gross $145-$160k/yr. Then the on the side legal consulting that so far only adds up several thousand a year. So...I am working 10-12 shifts a month and making $250k/yr. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalPA Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Rgnellis is 6 24s considered full time? Nevermind, I guess that's the same as 3 12s a week. That's a nice schedule you have there! Are 24s in ER hard to find? I assume you're able to space them out to prevent burnout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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