Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted September 23, 2013 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2013 Attached is an article written by a Nurse with a doctorate of nursing science. Since I see so many talk about how negative nurses are about PAs, which I personally don't see often, I thought it would be nice for all to see how one institution sees them as equals and advocates for both practicing at the top of their license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted September 23, 2013 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2013 I saw that and was pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicinePower Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I can't see the attachment...still getting used to the new forum software. Is there a link I can click on? Would love to read the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurePAS Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I can't see the attachment...still getting used to the new forum software. Is there a link I can click on? Would love to read the article. I don't see it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator True Anomaly Posted September 23, 2013 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2013 Make that three that can't see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrsmurf Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 That was a quick read, but it can be interpreted in so many different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicinePower Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 That was a quick read, but it can be interpreted in so many different ways. Where did you read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted September 23, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2013 You can read it on clinician1.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted September 23, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2013 That was a quick read, but it can be interpreted in so many different ways.and how many ways is that? I see only one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrsmurf Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I was just being sarcastic because I didn't see anything either :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalPalm Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Is there a way to view the article for those of us not members of clinician1, since there's no attachment on this thread (unless I'm missing something)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted September 24, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2013 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23681156/ Couldn't find the whole thing online other than C1, but above at least has an abstract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted September 24, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2013 I was just being sarcastic because I didn't see anything either :pThat is actually funny :) sorry I missed the tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z PA-C Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Here is the full article for those of you who are interested. Yay for university subscription privileges. NP vs PA article.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicinePower Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Here is the full article for those of you who are interested. Yay for university subscription privileges. I don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z PA-C Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Fixed! Apparently you have to browse, upload, AND THEN hit attach to post. Sorry it's my first attachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicinePower Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Gosh, look at the post-nominals of the first author. DNSc, RN, FAAN, NEA-BC The first I think it Doctor of Nursing Science, the second is Registered Nurse, but what are the last two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMPA Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 It is a very degrading and pompus article. First off there i love how it is stated "An increasing number of nurse leaders are findingthemselves in the position of having to debate therelative merits of NPs and PAs and to resolvewhetherone or both disciplines will play a role in their organizations." So i guess now our hiring as PAs is determined by "nurse leaders". and lets not forget, "their training is equivalent to ours", because being trained in nursing is equal to being trained in medicine. this article is a joke and just a way for the NP front to flex thier muscle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator True Anomaly Posted September 24, 2013 Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2013 Fixed! Apparently you have to browse, upload, AND THEN hit attach to post. Sorry it's my first attachment. Thanks so much for taking the time to post the article- I think its the first time anyone has attached a file to a post on this new BB system, so don't feel bad! I think the article is pretty fair. Might be a slight bit on the arrogant side about "nursing leaders" determining which of us (PA vs NP) get hired for a particular system, but overall the article's pretty even-handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted September 24, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2013 Thanks so much for taking the time to post the article- I think its the first time anyone has attached a file to a post on this new BB system, so don't feel bad! I think the article is pretty fair. Might be a slight bit on the arrogant side about "nursing leaders" determining which of us (PA vs NP) get hired for a particular system, but overall the article's pretty even-handed. While a nurse wrote this, I don't think they decided. Certain departments favored certain providers, this particular case oncology was ruled by nurses. Other departments (inpatient services) were ruled by PA, and only MD and Chief PA were involved in the hiring. At the highest level, they decided to make postings for both and let the best candidate win, and the nurse admin from oncology just wrote the paper. At least this is was I understand from the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketpropelled Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I'm reading between the lines here, but this is how I'd paraphrase what I picked up: "So we realized that by exclusively hiring and/or promoting experienced unionized NPs, it's costing us $20k/yr more per head in each position by default. Since we've been displaying a blind preference for hiring NPs (or not reading PA applications) out of self-protection, and we're now under budgetary pressure to fit inside a budget, this study will allow us some wiggle room to hire PAs where we want to save money. We don't really know how to assign them onto teams (after all, we're nurse leaders, and don't know enough about these mysterious PAs, except that we still can't get the name right in our data table -- it's Physician's Assistant, right?), but we'll think of something. Basically we're saying that PAs probably won't kill our patients as much as we've been saying for the past few years, but we need more data. These PAs will work cheaper on our pay scale, so we'll give 'em a shot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will352ns Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 It's an ok'ish article. I kind of took it in the same light as "rocketpropelled". States the obvious and admits to biased hiring practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM2PA Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Let's just go to NP school and get it over with, Will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhpilot Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Gosh, look at the post-nominals of the first author. The first I think it Doctor of Nursing Science, the second is Registered Nurse, but what are the last two? Fellows of the American Academy of Nursing and Nurse Executive Advanced-Board Certified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRob0351 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 It is a very degrading and pompus article. First off there i love how it is stated "An increasing number of nurse leaders are finding themselves in the position of having to debate the relative merits of NPs and PAs and to resolvewhether one or both disciplines will play a role in their organizations." So i guess now our hiring as PAs is determined by "nurse leaders". and lets not forget, "their training is equivalent to ours", because being trained in nursing is equal to being trained in medicine. this article is a joke and just a way for the NP front to flex thier muscle. Completely agree... Seemed VERY nursing centric as if we as PAs are somehow just "good enough" to be allowed to practice at the same level of an APRN - it's ridiculous. Compare ANY accredited PA program curriculum to an APRN curriculum (masters and doctorate alike) and its absoutely undebatable that PAs have significantly more extensive and superior training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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