GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I’m surprised that no one has brought up the study on the genetically altered pig heart that was transplanted into the late stage, non-compliant, heart failure patient. Study results showed alteration of the normal pig conduction into a more human-like conduction pattern. The way that I read it, it was taken that they had concerns about prolonging of the PR, QRS (as I recall), and specifically the QT intervals. I saw it as an adaptation to more human conduction parameters (pigs have shorter PR, QRS, and QT intervals apparently). I took it as a positive, aside from the QT prolongation (up around .5 sec. as I recall). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Humans are arrogant and animals should not be sacrificed for our inability to deal with mortality or self-responsibility. We treat the planet like a dumpster and the animals even worse. If you learn to print an organ on a 3D printer or grow one in a petri dish - so be it. Leave animals alone. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Reality Check 2 said: Leave animals alone. Does that include not eating them? Because they are made of meat, you know. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted November 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 5, 2022 20 hours ago, CAAdmission said: Does that include not eating them? Because they are made of meat, you know. I am trying to follow Dr David Sinclair's habit of not eating other mammals. Much easier than going completely vegetarian. https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/19155774.David_A_Sinclair 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted November 5, 2022 Administrator Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 hour ago, EMEDPA said: I am trying to follow Dr David Sinclair's habit of not eating other mammals. Much easier than going completely vegetarian. https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/19155774.David_A_Sinclair You know, if you want a quick way to not eat anything reasonably intelligent, Hebrew dietary laws on clean/unclean animals in Leviticus 11 (on which the modern Kosher laws are based in part) isn't a bad starting point. "Mammals" is a pretty good starting point, but Octopi are also really intelligent non-mammals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted November 6, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 hours ago, rev ronin said: You know, if you want a quick way to not eat anything reasonably intelligent, Hebrew dietary laws on clean/unclean animals in Leviticus 11 (on which the modern Kosher laws are based in part) isn't a bad starting point. "Mammals" is a pretty good starting point, but Octopi are also really intelligent non-mammals. I already don't eat octopus, squid , or shrimp. I wouldn't eat a parrot or a bat either. Chicken, turkey, a few kinds of fish. Cornish game hens. That's about it. I don't like duck or goose, so they are safe too. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 10:55 PM, EMEDPA said: Chicken, turkey, a few kinds of fish. If you want to stop eating chicken, too, go find a YouTube video that shows what they do with male chicks during the chick sorting process. Are people here avoiding meat for nutritional reasons or due to some moral imperative? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKPAC Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 4:01 PM, rev ronin said: Octopi are also really intelligent non-mammals. But they're not delicious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Industrial farming is my problem. Animal cruelty, hormones, chemicals. It is awful. The 100 mile rule is ecologically sound to lower carbon footprint. Knowing where your nutrition comes from is a good thing. I avoid meat mostly - some chicken, some turkey. No pork, no beef. Eggs are a renewable resource and 2 acres from my house with the 30 hens I help feed. Uber natural and healthy. 8 billion people on this rock to support food wise is a daunting and damaging task. We should all learn how to feed ourselves and reduce the damage to ourselves and the planet. Animals deserve better than what we have done to them. Just my 2 cents 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 I guess that the medical science part of the story wasn’t of interest…sorry that I brought it up. Back to my porch, cooler, and firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 31 minutes ago, GetMeOuttaThisMess said: I guess that the medical science part of the story wasn’t of interest…sorry that I brought it up. Back to my porch, cooler, and firearm. well back to the science part.... transplanting organs from animals to humans has the potential to save many, many lives. If the electrophysiology of the transplant was different from humans but the same as the donor animal when working correctly...why would it matter (assuming you get perfusion)? Now I know that may start a whole 'nuther discussion about the ethics of transhuman transplants but hey.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, GetMeOuttaThisMess said: I guess that the medical science part of the story wasn’t of interest…sorry that I brought it up. Back to my porch, cooler, and firearm. I'm still a little creeped out by those old pictures of mice with ears growing on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKPAC Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Ironically, it was eating pork that caused the problem in the first place! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, LKPAC said: Ironically, it was eating pork that caused the problem in the first place! There's always alternative meat sources: https://humanmeatproject.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted November 10, 2022 Administrator Share Posted November 10, 2022 18 hours ago, CAAdmission said: There's always alternative meat sources: https://humanmeatproject.com/ Please tell me there's an 'e' missing in that URL... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 hours ago, rev ronin said: Please tell me there's an 'e' missing in that URL... No such luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Some day I imagine we will be 3D printing all kinds of tissue. But until then, animals are a resource. It's hard to say if the average farmed animal has a better or worse life than those in the wild. The farmed ones might get killed instantly by a captive bolt gun while those in the wild die of disease or get eaten by something else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedRate Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 On 11/10/2022 at 12:49 PM, CAAdmission said: Some day I imagine we will be 3D printing all kinds of tissue. But until then, animals are a resource. It's hard to say if the average farmed animal has a better or worse life than those in the wild. The farmed ones might get killed instantly by a captive bolt gun while those in the wild die of disease or get eaten by something else. Humaneness and ethics of eating animals aside, I think the two main concerns are what the industrially farmed animals are fed (mainly corn) and the environmental impact of the waste. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedRate Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 On 11/4/2022 at 9:20 AM, GetMeOuttaThisMess said: I’m surprised that no one has brought up the study on the genetically altered pig heart that was transplanted into the late stage, non-compliant, heart failure patient. Study results showed alteration of the normal pig conduction into a more human-like conduction pattern. The way that I read it, it was taken that they had concerns about prolonging of the PR, QRS (as I recall), and specifically the QT intervals. I saw it as an adaptation to more human conduction parameters (pigs have shorter PR, QRS, and QT intervals apparently). I took it as a positive, aside from the QT prolongation (up around .5 sec. as I recall). Interesting! I haven't heard of this study. Thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted November 12, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 12, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 5:24 AM, CAAdmission said: Are people here avoiding meat for nutritional reasons or due to some moral imperative? Mostly health reasons. I have a familial hypercholesterolemia (low HDL, high triglycerides), which I am trying to control with diet and exercise. As a distance runner, I don't want to take a statin because of the increased potential for rhabdo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted November 12, 2022 Author Share Posted November 12, 2022 https://newsroom.heart.org/news/modified-pig-to-human-heart-transplant-had-unexpected-changes-in-heart-s-conduction-system I would go back to the front porch with cooler and firearm but it’s cold out and the St. Augustine is calling it quits for the year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 It's becoming increasingly fashionable to suggest that people should be eating bugs to save the environment. What do you think? Maggot butter for breakfast? https://www.fao.org/edible-insects/en/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-belgium-cake-bugs/waiter-theres-a-fly-in-my-waffle-belgian-researchers-try-out-insect-butter-idUSKCN20M23U 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 I don’t want to eat bugs, necessarily. I do want to eat clean with less chemical input (except Oreos) and with thoughts toward where my food comes from and what is in it. Commercial farming and ranching are fraught with animal abuse and conditions we shouldn’t be ok with. And chemicals, etc. Going to a more local diet with wholesome foods is better for planet and health. Live what we teach and be healthy. And consider what we are doing to animals and the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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