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I gotta say I'm getting very frustrated by some of the local PCP's in my area. I recently saw a patient and when looking over the interrogation of his PPM I noticed a 2.5% burden of AF. Placed patient on AC. I found out today that the patient has not started anticoagulant because his PCP told him not to start any meds the PA orders....only if the cardiologist orders it. WTF? 

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I would document exactly that in the patient chart, " 2.5% burden of AF, patient has not started anticoagulant because PCP told him not start any medications the PA orders...only if the cardiologist orders it." Then fax over the visit note to the PCP.

But maybe I'm just petty. 🙂

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1 minute ago, MSPAC2 said:

I would document exactly that in the patient chart, " 2.5% burden of AF, patient has not started anticoagulant because PCP told him not start any medications the PA orders...only if the cardiologist orders it." Then fax over the visit note to the PCP.

Believe me.....done and done. I just can't believe the poor patient care being provided by the PCP. Just disregard anything a PA says and does even if that means risking a CVA for your patient. 

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2 hours ago, LT_Oneal_PAC said:

You all are better than me. I would tell him that if I heard of him telling patients not to follow the standard of care through legal and valid PA orders, then he would be reported to the board for patient endangerment.

That could actually be a lot of fun. He'd get called in and have to answer to the board. Nothing would happen, but it would ruin his day for sure. 

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22 minutes ago, CJAadmission said:

On another note, if the cardiologist is your supervising physician, he should tell the other doc to go fornicate himself. 

and detail to that idiot pcp how much more YOU know about the topic than the pcp does....

this is an ongoing problem for both PA and NP specialists. A decent number of us know more about our specialty than the vast majority of non-specialist physicians, yet we don't get that acknowledgement very often....and it is sucks and it's overdue.

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I am getting the patient in to see the cardiologist ASAP. I am sending my last OV note to the PCP with a copy of the pacer interrogation. I came very close to calling him but held back because I'm sure I would have flipped my lid. I've had run ins with two of the local PCPs over these kinds of issues. One is in his late 60's and the other in his mid 70's. I'm sure they never worked with a PA in their life. 

Whenever a PCP gives me a hard time about being a knuckle dragging PA I always think of the time when I was working in the CCU and some big shot brought his personal PCP in with him. When the patient coded 15 minutes after arriving the PCP literally ran screaming from the room while I ran the code and got him back. 

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Guys, one word of caution here: Patients can SAY their PCP said all sorts of things, and they might even be accurately reporting what they THINK the PCP said, but there's going to be some amount of patients misconstruing what another provider said.  I'd encourage a phone call first, just to confirm that the provided did in fact say what the patient said he or she did.

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