DarcyJ Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Yeah, those are anecdotes though. What about the stories of kids getting into their parents prescription drugs? Or their parent's ETOH? Or Jeffrey Dahmer who states getting hooked on the porn in his parent's house started him down the road of becoming Jeffrey Dahmer? Who is cool with telling your kid's pediatrician what prescription drugs you are on, or what if any ETOH you have in your house, or what your porn habits are? All of these things are arguably "health concerns" regarding kids. I would bet a small fortune that parent's ETOH and prescription drugs kill far more kids than guns in the house. But spreading unfounded fear about guns is far more politically correct and expedient. And anyone who thinks whatever health organization is non-political or unbiased is naive. Couldn't pass this one up without some support. Yes, when are they going to start asking about porn? When a child stumbles upon pornography in the home, or anywhere, it is covert sexual abuse and detrimental to their psychological development. But, there are no movements to take porn out of homes with children, and I can promise more kids are being exposed to pornography each day than will ever be accidentally shot. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db_pavnp Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I am not sure if this porn argument is the most masterful, brilliant dismissal of the ETOH sidebar I could have ever imagined or if we have arrived at a new level of conservative crazy for PA forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted June 10, 2016 Administrator Share Posted June 10, 2016 I am not sure if this porn argument is the most masterful, brilliant dismissal of the ETOH sidebar I could have ever imagined or if we have arrived at a new level of conservative crazy for PA forum. Are you seriously suggesting that early childhood exposure to pornography ISN'T harmful to normal sexual development? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db_pavnp Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Are you seriously suggesting that early childhood exposure to guns ISN'T harmful to normal odds of living to adulthood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralER/Ortho Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Are you seriously suggesting that early childhood exposure to guns ISN'T harmful to normal odds of living to adulthood? I think that depends on the type of exposure. If one is responsibly exposed to the proper handling, use, care, etc of firearms, I really don't think it will have any type of negative impact. I'm not talking about leaving loaded handguns on the kitchen table... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db_pavnp Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I think that depends on the type of exposure. Porn is in the eye of the beholder. America is very conservative regarding nudity and we need only look at the backlash against public breastfeeding for an easy example of this. I'm not talking about leaving donkey rape videos playing on the family laptop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoundsfieldHero Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Are you seriously suggesting that early childhood exposure to guns ISN'T harmful to normal odds of living to adulthood? I started shooting when I was very young and learned how to safely operate and respect firearms. Do you think a child who has training is more or less likely to be involved in an accidental shooting that you are trying to prevent? Rule #1: Never point the gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. Rule #2: Always treat the gun as though it's loaded. Rule #3: Keep your finger off of the trigger until you are ready to shoot. If you follow those simple rules, you will never have an accident. I'm thinking that a little education might be more effective in preventing accidents than just teaching your kid that guns are bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk732 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Dude, I've got 30 years in the military, and over that time I've seen many accidental shootings/negligent discharges, all from highly trained people. I caught myself twice almost initiating one as well - I was very tired going through unloading drills once (something I've literally done in my sleep) and stopped when I realized the magazine was still in place after cocking it...another was a similar circumstance when going through a clearance on a pistol. All the training in the world, all the simple rules in the world, don't always prevent shyte from happening - they just minimize it. SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted June 10, 2016 Administrator Share Posted June 10, 2016 I think that depends on the type of exposure. Porn is in the eye of the beholder. America is very conservative regarding nudity and we need only look at the backlash against public breastfeeding for an easy example of this. I'm not talking about leaving donkey rape videos playing on the family laptop... Classic straw man argument. Guns is to unsecured loaded guns accessible to children as nudity is to porn. I doubt very, very much you can find a reasonable human being who thinks public breastfeeding is porn. Inappropriate, perhaps, but not porn. I once met (at a computer security conference) a couple of representatives from a Canadian group whose goal was to reduce sexual assault and abuse through keeping specific types of porn out of the hands of kids, especially teens, on the assumption that when sexually developing teen boys viewed the types of antisocial acts often portrayed in internet porn, they 'imprinted' on them due to association with sexual arousal and masturbation, and would ever after have a positive association with whatever they had imprinted upon. They weren't prudes, certainly not in the classic sense, and it was pretty clear that they weren't against teens finding masturbatory material on the internet... they just wanted it to be 'normal' sex, rather than kiddie porn, bestiality, rape/torture porn, or anything else that would lead kids to desire illegal acts for sexual fulfillment. Didn't, at the time, even think to ask for their underlying research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db_pavnp Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I doubt very, very much you can find a reasonable human being who thinks public breastfeeding is porn. Inappropriate, perhaps, but not porn. Hah! Good one. Didn't, at the time, even think to ask for their underlying research. Dude.... Of course you didn't. Because it fits in exactly with your worldview of guns good / other things bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoundsfieldHero Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Dude, I've got 30 years in the military, and over that time I've seen many accidental shootings/negligent discharges, all from highly trained people. I caught myself twice almost initiating one as well - I was very tired going through unloading drills once (something I've literally done in my sleep) and stopped when I realized the magazine was still in place after cocking it...another was a similar circumstance when going through a clearance on a pistol. All the training in the world, all the simple rules in the world, don't always prevent shyte from happening - they just minimize it. SK I know that there isn't any way to prevent bad things from happening. The military is a whole different ball game though. When you have a large amount of exhausted/distracted people constantly handling weapons there are bound to be issues whether or not they are trained. I'm just saying that some training can help alleviate some problems in the civilian world. Thank you for your service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Not that there is a "winning" side to this discussion ---- I am continually disappointed in the progressive lack of personal responsibility particularly in US citizens. It upsets me that insurance companies and the govt want to JUDGE my ability to care for a patient based on the PATIENT's BMI, smoking status and compliance, A1c, etc. So, factoring in the gun safety argument - to what level of minutia are we forced to berate patients regarding THEIR personal choices? The stories in the news about teens shirking responsibility based on "party culture", "affluenza" etc disgust me. I was raised military - take that for what it is worth - It was drilled into me that I was the ONE AND ONLY person responsible for words from my mouth, choices and actions. I couldn't imagine throwing out the Adult Child of an Alcoholic argument for whatever is wrong with me or the idea that I was from a divorced home or one with domestic violence. WHATEVER. My family took measures to raise me with expectations of better and wiser and more responsible and I took it. So, I think this argument goes back to a much more basic issue that we, as a society, no longer hold people responsible for their choices and decisions and have somehow developed the belief system that holding someone else responsible for checking those decisions will make things better. Ok, rant done, lunch over. Full afternoon and subpar MA for the day - deep sigh on a Friday afternoon...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Example that has always bugged me: DelMonte removed the cooking instructions from canned kernel corn about 15 years ago to make room for govt mandated nutritional info. Following that change, their 1-800 number received hundreds of phone calls from folks not knowing how to heat up a can of corn....... Here's your sign...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Example that has always bugged me: DelMonte removed the cooking instructions from canned kernel corn about 15 years ago to make room for govt mandated nutritional info. Following that change, their 1-800 number received hundreds of phone calls from folks not knowing how to heat up a can of corn....... Here's your sign...... Damn! I never saw the number. I've suffered an unnecessary decade of cold corn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk732 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Forget the Zombie apocalypse as it'll never come...Beware the fucktard apocaplypse though, for it is already upon us. SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I have an amazing picture of that term if I can get it on here. It uses a cat - imagine that................ Basic tenant - can't fix stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKPAC Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Damn! I never saw the number. I've suffered an unnecessary decade of cold corn. lmao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpRegulated Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I think that depends on the type of exposure. Porn is in the eye of the beholder. America is very conservative regarding nudity and we need only look at the backlash against public breastfeeding for an easy example of this. I'm not talking about leaving donkey rape videos playing on the family laptop... Public breastfeeding and porn are not comparable. You cannot be serious. A mother feeding her child in the most natural way possible, and a 6 year old watching hard core porn on their iPod is radically different. You cannot...possibly...be serious. As for America and being "conservative." We (Americans) are radically liberal compared to 80% of the world's population. We are only conservative compared to Western Europe and maybe Canada and Australia, all of which combined are a tiny percentage of the world's population (and becoming less at a breathtaking rate). All together, these "liberal" societies that find borderline hedonism the human norm and perhaps even virtuous, at best constitute 20% of the world's population. That 20% figure does not even account for the non-white population of our/these countries, most all of which are "sexually conservative." In short, do a worldwide survey on public nudity, porn, etc.. Given your apparent "liberalism," you should be accustomed to having a global perspective. Be sure to include African, Near-East, Middle East, Far East, Pacific, Hispanic, etc. (i.e. 80+% of the world) perspectives in your sample. Then come back and let us know what you find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I not only ask my patients about guns, I ask them if they know where I can buy cheap ammo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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