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Under what circumstances would a male patient, seen in an ER, with UA results of 4+ bacteria, 500 esterase, >50 wbc / hpf, positive nitrites be sent home without a script for antibiotics?

 

I had to edit this to add that the PT is not currently on antibiotics, as that was one reason that occurred to me.

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Under what circumstances would a male patient, seen in an ER, with UA results of 4+ bacteria, 500 esterase, >50 wbc / hpf, positive nitrites be sent home without a script for antibiotics?

 

I had to edit this to add that the PT is not currently on antibiotics, as that was one reason that occurred to me.

treated for gc/chlamydia in er with rocephin and zithromax?

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Just wondering.. have you checked a bladder scan or ultrasound. I bet they're walking around with 100-300cc in their bladder. Positive for nitrites? I don't think you should send them home. Usually if they've been on abx recently they wouldn't be nitrite positive and their culture usually negative even though it looks infected otherwise. Lots of leuk, blo. I may consider it "normal" potentially, if they the sample is somehow from a chronic foley or sp tube.

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Need to know more about the patient.

Elderly, young?

Prior UTI? Has foley in place?

Recent instrumentation?

How was sample obtained?

Cath spec? Clean catch? Dirty catch?

If elderly, I would recommend culture and see what it grows. 

Younger, I agree with E, got to think of STD and by younger I now think under 70. You never know what situation patients have themselves in.

Last, why was the urine obtained? If it was because of dysuria, then I would ? why pt not sent home.

If it was some sort of shotgun get a bunch of labs thing then definitely dont do anything till the culture comes back.

G Brothers PA-C

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Pos nitrates require treatment in men across the board.

 

If the gentleman had a pre-existing in dwelling foley, than this would most certainly skew the UA results. But should still be treated.

 

If the gentleman had a Ureteral stent, again, he should be treated, but this would skew the results.

 

A colovessical fistula would most certainly cause a very dirty urine, and would most likely need antibiotics if having symptoms at the time, pending repair by Urology / CORS.

 

Other causes of a dirty UA with a seemingly asymptomatic patient could be a chronic smoldering bacterial prostattiis that has not been treated adequately.

A bladder stone can harbor many bacteria and cause a recalcitrant UTI.

Bladder diverticula also tend to harbor bacteria and are difficult to completely eradicate the bacterial colonization.

 

Thats all I got! 

- Rudy, Former Urology PA

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only way I would not treat this is if he is asymptomatic AND has a foley in place AND does not complain of any type of uro complaint - and even then I would likely treat with quick PCP or URO follow up

 

Asym Bacturia is a female condition (mostly unless some anatomy issue with male ie surgery)

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