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First student case was great, here is another.

There is a lesson here.

63 y/o pleasant female brought to ED by a friend.

Progressive dyspnea with exertion, now severe,  over last 5 days.

After walking across her apartment has to rest for several minutes to catch her breath.

Companion describes peripheral cyanosis to you when patient does this.

At rest, pt with subjective short of breath, mild to moderate.

What is your differential diagnosis?

G Brothers PA-C

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I think everything here is worthwhile other than ARDS.

Put this patient in perspective. Developing a differential diagnosis shouldn't be a dump of all conditions considered. It should be what is likely also. 

What kind of patient develops ARDS and is this that type of patient?

Need at least 2 more conditions for us to proceed.

The eye will not see what the mind does not know.

GB PA-C

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I think everything here is worthwhile other than ARDS.

Put this patient in perspective. Developing a differential diagnosis shouldn't be a dump of all conditions considered. It should be what is likely also. 

What kind of patient develops ARDS and is this that type of patient?

Need at least 2 more conditions for us to proceed.

The eye will not see what the mind does not know.

GB PA-C

 

Usually someone with acute lung injury as the end result of another disease state (ICU pts.). But also from trauma, pneumonia, infections, blood disorders, drug reactions, exposure to toxins, pancreatitis, etc.

 

Can we get a full set of vitals, PMH, and physical exam findings in order to narrow the scope of the ddx?

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... What kind of patient develops ARDS and is this that type of patient?

 

The eye will not see what the mind does not know.  <--- BTW I like this quote

The type of person who develops ARDS usually has a heart failure or circulatory shock. The constriction of the blood vessels can cause of Raynaud's Syndrome.

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Usually someone with acute lung injury as the end result of another disease state (ICU pts.). But also from trauma, pneumonia, infections, blood disorders, drug reactions, exposure to toxins, pancreatitis, etc.

 

Can we get a full set of vitals, PMH, and physical exam findings in order to narrow the scope of the ddx?

True.

So this patient came from home, in usual state of good health according to her until last week. So ARDS very unlikely.

Her vitals afebrile, p104 r24 bp144/64 pox RA 91%.

PMH none

You get physical exam findings when you flesh out what you want to know further about her history.

Plus 2 other DDx conditions.

I have to go skiing, will provide more this afternoon.

GB PA-C

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She's a skosh tachycardic and tachypneic, nothing super scary/obvious jumping out. Pulse pressure is wide, but again not crazy. So this is new, rapid onset in the past week...

 

What was her exercise tolerance/activity level before last week?

Is she taking any prescription or OTC meds? (Also height/weight/build, please).

DOES SHE SMOKE? (can't believe we all forgot that one)

Does any one position make breathing better or worse; lying down, sitting up, etc.

No pink, frothy sputum/hemoptysis, correct? 

Claudication present with the cyanosis?

What is her usual diet? Eating recently?

Ethnicity?

Lung sounds? 

Heart sounds?

 

She didn't make it 63 years with an undiagnosed ASD. If it's not the lungs or the heart, I'm going with some form of anemia.

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Alright, alright, alright.

Activity level prior, apartment dweller, walked to grocery store and back without issue several times a week, 1/2 mile each way.

No prescribed meds, nothing otc.

5ft6in, about 140lbs.

Smoke cigarettes since teens, now 1/2 pack per wk due to finances.

Breathing better sitting down, worse with activity, able to sleep in own bed one pillow without dyspnea.

No sputum, no cough, no hemoptysis.

No trauma.

No falls.

No travel.

No ill contacts.

Thanks for thinking of PTX.

There is one more Ddx I always think about with dyspnea. Anyone?

Anything else you want for history? 

GB PA-C

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