thinkertdm 831 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Curious as to whether a PA could be a PI on research studies, specifically pharmaceutical studies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdenning 92 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 You can be a co-PI, but not a principal PI. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weebs 10 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 You can in academics, I don't know about industry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coloradopa 107 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Generally you need a doctorate of some kind to be PI. There are a few PAs that have even done major NIH studies but again with a PhD. David Carpenter, PA-C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmj11 1,016 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Curious as to whether a PA could be a PI on research studies, specifically pharmaceutical studies. I did pharmaceutical studies full time for two years (at a headache center) but was not PI. I approached GSK, Merck . . . hmm . . . a couple of others about me being a PI for headache studies here four years ago . . . all smiled and said "Thanks . . . but no thanks . . . unless you have an MD to join you." Seems to be industry wide. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator EMEDPA 7,704 Posted April 23, 2009 Moderator Share Posted April 23, 2009 I think lyle larsen at U.WA has been PI a few times but he does have a phd in cardiac electrophysiology in addition to the pa-c Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thinkertdm 831 Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Thanks! I was pretty sure that at academic centers, PA's could be PI's- for some research. I wasn't so sure about industry studies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoNavyBeatArmy 12 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 There ya go ... a way to promote the PA profession ... a series of police procedurals with a PA as a part-time gumshoe and lead character ... "Give me the high hat again and you'll be pickin' iron out of your cecum!" Oh, oh ... you mean Principal Investigator on research studies ... :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LESH 292 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 In academia PAs have been know to be PIs on federal training grants. I have been a PI on 7. Research grants in the private sector are another deal. LesH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thinkertdm 831 Posted April 24, 2009 Author Share Posted April 24, 2009 There ya go ... a way to promote the PA profession ... a series of police procedurals with a PA as a part-time gumshoe and lead character ... "Give me the high hat again and you'll be pickin' iron out of your cecum!" Oh, oh ... you mean Principal Investigator on research studies ... :) Actually, I did mean the former- confused me a bit when everyone starting talking research. ;) ...Of course, if I did continue on the "PI" course, it would have to be a "Calvin and Hobbes" style PI. Thanks for the feedback, everyone! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mdewindt Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 PA's can be a Sub-Investigator. You can do a lot of the same things that a PI can do but depending on the pharmaceutical compnay they will usually say what tasks need to be reserved for the PI. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Firemedic13 67 Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 There ya go ... a way to promote the PA profession ... a series of police procedurals with a PA as a part-time gumshoe and lead character ... "Give me the high hat again and you'll be pickin' iron out of your cecum!" Oh, oh ... you mean Principal Investigator on research studies ... :) HA! I had the same confusion for a minute... only I was actually a private investigator for about a year and was coming in here to warn the OP against doing that crappy job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eupatobe 11 Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 For PA's that do want to pursue research, what is the best PhD route to go? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whoRyou 256 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 HA! I had the same confusion for a minute... only I was actually a private investigator for about a year and was coming in here to warn the OP against doing that crappy job. LOL I had the same confusion at first ... I am and have been a Private Investigator for quite some time. Of course like an profession it has its ups and downs, but it is TIME for a change and that change is to be a P.A. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coelgona 0 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Yes they can. I am a PI on a phase 1 research study currently. Guidelines and Regulations say the PI must be qualified by training and education (I have my MPAS & have been in research for 8 years). It also says if the PI is not a MD/DO then there needs to be a study physician designated. I know this response is late, but I've been looking for an answer the past 8 years so I thought maybe someone else might stumble upon this and find it helpful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator EMEDPA 7,704 Posted January 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 29, 2020 On 4/22/2009 at 2:03 PM, jdenning said: You can be a co-PI, but not a principal PI. Unless you have a doctoral degree in the relevant field. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GetMeOuttaThisMess 1,614 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) On 4/22/2009 at 8:51 PM, EMEDPA said: I think lyle larsen at U.WA has been PI a few times but he does have a phd in cardiac electrophysiology in addition to the pa-c LYLE is still out there chugging away!? I worked with him in a N. Dallas 'burb ~85 or so when he was hired on in the radiology dept. at a small community hospital there, that coincidentally is a level one trauma center now (go figure). It does not surprise me in the least that he has a PhD. Very smart individual. Edited January 29, 2020 by GetMeOuttaThisMess Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator EMEDPA 7,704 Posted January 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, GetMeOuttaThisMess said: LYLE is still out there chugging away!? I worked with him in a N. Dallas 'burb ~85 or so when he was hired on in the radiology dept. at a small community hospital there, that coincidentally is a level one trauma center now (go figure). It does not surprise me in the least that he has a PhD. Very smart individual. he has been President of WAPA several times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GetMeOuttaThisMess 1,614 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 he has been President of WAPA several times. Not surprised in the least. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobShultz 0 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I think it could be possible Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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