Woody85 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I just found this job posting at Mount Sinai in NY. Under duties is says: "Some of your duties will entail: Acts as an assistant to the Radiologists and Staff Nurse, under their supervision and direction" Someone please tell me I'm over reacting! Here is the complete posting: https://wehealny.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl?job=51125&src=JB-10100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACdan Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Job posting title reads "Physicians" Assistant as well... Maybe the Staff Nurse is their version of a Nurse Administrator and they are supervising from an employee standpoint and not a medical one. Just my guess, either way it's poorly worded and a bad proposition at best. I hope no one applies. Also, Manhattan, ew. Insane costs of living in a place that really is not that cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted August 11, 2014 Moderator Share Posted August 11, 2014 The really sad thing is some dumb and/or desperate new grad will take the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACdan Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The really sad thing is some dumb and/or desperate new grad will take the job.I understand the dumb/naive part, but I also find it hard to swallow that any new, certified grad is truly desperate for work. The job postings are EVERYWHERE. These must be people who refuse to move elsewhere, or are dead set on living in place X. ie, Manhattan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Nurses can't supervise PA clinical activity. In some practices the administrative supervisor/manager is an RN Only physicians can supervise PAs Not RNs, not NPs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PC2ED Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That's crazy. Mount Sinai is taking over lots of hospitals here in ny. They are very familiar with PAs, I'm sure this was not their intention. I do primary care in Manhattan (Harlem) it's pretty fun living there, I agree with the insane cost of living though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted August 11, 2014 Moderator Share Posted August 11, 2014 I understand the dumb/naive part, but I also find it hard to swallow that any new, certified grad is truly desperate for work. The job postings are EVERYWHERE.These must be people who refuse to move elsewhere, or are dead set on living in place X. ie, Manhattan I see posting somewhat often about people having trouble getting a job. Yes they are the people that restrict themselves geographically and usually to a specialty as well. They are desperate nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACdan Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I see posting somewhat often about people having trouble getting a job. Yes they are the people that restrict themselves geographically and usually to a specialty as well. They are desperate nonetheless.That's a shame. It's a self-imposed desperation. Not a desperation due to lack of opportunity within the profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted August 11, 2014 Moderator Share Posted August 11, 2014 That's a shame. It's a self-imposed desperation. Not a desperation due to lack of opportunity within the profession. Often is, but not always. Some people have family that need them or whatever reasons they can't leave. In Manhattan though, usually because "I just can't imagine living anywhere else!" Not for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJH716 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The HR person who posted the job clearly doesn't know about every single hospital position. Surely an error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. Davenport Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 It's bunk. Your license won't allow a nurse to supervise your clinical practice. They can, however, manage practice logistics to include your work schedule. Think of a large hospital where the president has an MBA and yet oversees the physician practice and policy. Not how they treat patients. Don't confuse the two. And BTW, there is nothing wrong with a clinic managed by someone with a nurse background. If a problem were to come up (let's say they demand you fill an RX you don't think is in the patients best interest) learn to stand up for your clinical judgement and say "no!" Heck, you should be able to do this with anyone, even the doc you collaborate with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted August 12, 2014 Moderator Share Posted August 12, 2014 It's bunk. Your license won't allow a nurse to supervise your clinical practice. They can, however, manage practice logistics to include your work schedule. sounds like a place we both used to work part time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFarnsworth Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Ugh, this sounds like Kaiser. I have had nurse "supervisors" and a couple of supervisors weren't nurses nor did they even have a Bachelor's degree. I had SPs but my day to day schedule and other policies were managed by these people, some of whom did not even know what a PA was or did. I hate to say it, but the NP supervisors were the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbrothers98 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 My first job, the PAs answered to the director of critical care services. She was a nurse. She did not supervise us clinically, just everything else. She was responsible for supervising all nursing staff in the ED and ICU. She wasnt too difficult to work with but did question a lot of our CME stuff, scheduling, time off requests. We were 2 PAs alone in a sea of nurses. The 2 of us eventually sat down with the medical director and made our case on why he should be the employment supervisor. Essentially we made the argument that we were professionals and that we were grown up enough to handle all of the above issues and he just needed to sign off and back us up. So in the end, we ended up managing ourselves and he just approved whatever we did after the fact. We never got confrontative with the original supervisor, made our case and overall I think she was happy to be rid of us. A bigger organization, some supervisors may have an issue with letting go. Then they have to find something else to do rather than micromanaging a provider. G Brothers PA-C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Meh... Not a big deal As has been said above... it administrative only. One of my favorite jobs ... in the County Emergency Psych Services unit... my "supervisor" is a MSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryanviola Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 It is very crazy and even sad to know that nurse would supervise PA's:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 It is very crazy and even sad to know that nurse would supervise PA's:( It is not crazy for an RN to supervise a PA from an admin standpoint. If they are a trained manager then it is within their scope of duties RNs do not supervise PA clinical practice We need to avoid being anti-nurse just for the sake of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain1028 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 This job description for a CNA right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMD16 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Legally, no. Administratively, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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