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Surgery Vs Cardiology Hospital Vs Private practice 125K in Urgent care Vs 115K in Cardio not a fair comparison. I make 115K with 4 years in EM. I know people at my perdiem U.C. making 140K.

What a great outcome. Congrats!! no one is ever fully happy after negotiation, what's important is that you are not feeling under compensated. Keep your lifestyle the same and Reduce Debts, SAVE, Invest and you'll be super ready for big things.

at my shop I was offered two types of funds. In one I was fully vested immediately. The other was after 3 years of full time employment. I made three years last year, so I am vested fully in both with a 6% match.

thanks for the insights!

My PA coworkers are trying to get a raise but my boss keeps on bringing the fringe benefits making us understand that we make more per hour than we think. According to his calculations, we make $89/hr (all fringe benefits included). But in our paycheck, we make 29% less. We don't seem to have a way around his argument. I feel like Fringe benefits shouldn't be added to hourly pay and raise conversation because it's a standard thing most employer offer to make themselves competitive in the job market. Beside, it doesn't reflect anywhere in our W2 that we make that much. Can any of you provide some resources on how to counter this crazy man?

Yes, I forgot to mention, there is an evening and night differential. 230hrs / 36hrs = 6.33 work weeks. Because the max hrs we can work a calendar week are 36, a 36hrs vaca is translated into 7 calendar days.

If you love the place and see yourself working there for another 3 years, I modify the offer. 2 years into the place, I am sure they know your quality of work. keep in mind, no private jobs like this will ever offer you 100% of what you are really worth (they only offer you something that will allow them to sleep at night). Also, keep in mind, EVERYTHING is negotiable. Your job sounds sweet, BUT the start of the CHF clinic IS GOING TO CHANGE your work routine. Are you sure you want to lock yourself into such a big commitment? I'd sign a 1 yr contract. if this clinic takes off smoothly, I'd sign a 2 yr after that. You don't want to commit 3 yrs and find out you hate your new routine 6 months in. also, you need more money. You're going 3 yrs into your career and potentially making 100k, that's low. You mentioned NOTHING about retirement package brother. year 3: 105k (cme: 2,300 + 1 week CME ; PTO: 4 weeks ; everything else stay the same) year 4: 115K year 5: 125K -- I have 5 yrs as a PA. ear one: 80k, year two: 94k, year five: 115K (still low to me, but i'm in NYC)

City: NYC Years of practice: 4 (four) Specialty: Emergency Med. Salary: $115, 480 OT: $84/hr Shift: 36 hrs/week = 1 work week (= 3 days of work + 4 days off) CME: $3,000 Match: 6% (403b), vested after 3 years. PTO: 230 hrs/year (included sick days and time off) ; that is 6.33 calendar weeks. CME time: 7 days Benefit: dental, vision, medical. Malpractice: covered Opportunity for OT: plenty Schedule: mix day, evening and overnight with evening and overnight shift differential.

I do not agree with this above answer. to O.P. you did nothing wrong, and this certainly should not make you go consider PA residency (smh). Keep on applying to any place you'd like to work at. some hospitals have open house type of events. go to those. you could make a physical visit to their H.R. office or find the number of the department secretary and call to inquire. you could use recruiters too if you want. they are like real estate agents, you'll have to pay them a fee. Network with your old classmates and ask if they know about any positions in their hospitals. an employee referral may go a long way.

Acceptance letters or calls will begin to roll out soon!! Starting the first week of April 2019. So be attentive to your phones and unknown numbers Haha. If you're lucky enough to be accepted be proud, this is an amazing program and its faculties work diligently to bring you the best education to make you a star in your knowledge of medicine. Once accepted, the competition is over. You're all going to be in the same pot. No one is out to "get" you. DON'T BE A JERK TO YOUR CLASSMATES (and future colleagues). Sophie Alum

I agree! It's misleading and shady. Most patients don't know the difference and NPs don't care to make them privy to the "secret." if it ain't broken, don't fix it, haha. It works in their favor

Thank you for all your valuable responses. I have read them all and liked the insights received from them. Thanks MODs for keeping this thread from derailing on a tangent.

Close to SEVEN THOUSAND views of this thread, yet a grim 300 of them participated in this poll!! if that isn't an eye opener about us as a unit (and profession), I do NOT know what will. Look at the NURSES for instance, do you know ANY other professionals that always stick together for the better good of their craft? I speak with many of my colleagues, none of them know about this forum, none of them know about the possible name change proposal, none of them have noticed how most job now have openings for PAs OR NPs (yet PAs don't always get the job offer). We collectively act as a bunch of fools and choose to ignore things that one day will make it hard for us (and next gen of "PAs") to have a decent livelihood. tbh, I am tired of the whole NP vs PA debate, we are not the same. period. Most of us PERFORM procedures, most NPs don't. is that good enough to make us stand in the eyes of an employer who ONLY cares about the max chances for bigger REVENUES? We have entered the age of medicine as a BUSINESS, our current name does not put us in the proper position to be profitable (in the long run) vs the NPs. You may have a few years left to practice, maybe you're half way there till retirement, but how about us, the new comers? How about our future generations? the people who cannot afford to be MDs et al.? What ARE WE doing to make sure they have a profession that is valued in the eyes of the ignorant consumers? This is OUR doing. We groomed people to only give a shit about NAME BRANDS, regardless of actual competencies. We buy Pradas, Louis Vs, BMWs, Benz, yet we shit on the other brands. WE not only (want to) send our kids to big school names rather than public schools, we also try to sh*t on the public schools too. We take our "big" money and LEAVE the community we came from instead of investing in the block (I'm guilty of that too)! I went to non private PA school, most of my colleagues in the same cohort went to private, yet we make similar income. I see more of my net income go in my account, they don't. We have to drink a taste of our own medicine. Actually we have, now that we don't like it and realized that we fucked up years ago in naming this profession, we're pushing for change. NOTHING is wrong with that. ANY names with the word "assistant" in it should never be an option for this profession. EVER. WE are judged' by our names. this is how we are as humans...judgmental.

Lately, I have been thinking a lot about moving out NYC and go live somewhere else. main reasons are so that I could buy a house, have a greater work/life balance, save more, have a decent safety net and retirement money, and get AWAY from cold snowy winters. Most of you know that it's expensive living here in the city and I know it too. My main problem is that I DO NOT know which state/city to go. I know how it is here for PAs in NY, but elsewhere I have no clue. main concerns: - Income? (I'm between 110-120K) not sure if income would be lower - How are PAs utilized? - Any limitations in the way I would practice, compared to NY? - How diverse are the facilities? - Cost of living? - Beach or Lake near by? How is it being a PA in your city/state?

mine is a rental. i was not really saying living in the apartment (and paying 1995) is better than a house somewhere else. I know already that I would get more for my money outside of the city. I was just replying to CritCareICU's question. I didn't think he needs to spend 5k in an apartment in the city. that's ridiculous.