jmj11 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 See here. This is a good thing. If the world's oldest profession is prostitution then the second oldest profession is selling snake oil. I have seen too many people in my neck of the woods being told to throw away their anti-hypertensive medications and take these fake pills. Their blood pressures read like Dow Jones in a bull market afterwords but their naturopath insist that hypertension, for them, is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reality Check 2 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 My current battle is with the nonexistent Adrenal Fatigue and putting diabetics on a ketogenic diet. Patients are in hook, line and sinker with the naturopaths and look at me like I am stupid when I provide them with evidence from reputable sources. Got a guy who is a firefighter with an LDL of 198 who takes $300 worth of herbals a month and his LDL is 198. He refuses any type of medicine including Questran, WelChol and other nonstatin drugs. He won't pass his next firefighter exam with nonmodified risk factors but he isn't accepring of this. Won't even take aspirin. I won't order labs for naturopaths so insurance will pay for them. They might be licensed in most states but they have no standards or evidence based methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMSGuy1982 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 An acquaintance of my family practices "natural" medicine and suggested we STOP giving our son who is a Type 1 diabetic his insulin and then told me about the "healing effects" cinnamon has on the pancreas. (Insert blank stare here). I did laugh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted December 1, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 1, 2016 one of my partners just spent the better part of a shift trying to keep a kid alive( they are still alive I think) who stopped keppra for refractory sz d/o because someone told them cannabis was better. they were in status seizures for HOURS on concurrent drips of keppra, phenobarb, fosphenytoin, propofol, and versed. they required intubation and pressor support as well. such a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyrical M Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 An acquaintance of my family practices "natural" medicine and suggested we STOP giving our son who is a Type 1 diabetic his insulin and then told me about the "healing effects" cinnamon has on the pancreas. (Insert blank stare here). I did laugh.. While I'm no expert (yeah, I know lol), I have heard about evidence that cinnamon does help blood sugar, including from doctors. Not that that should completely replace insulin, but maybe as a little extra help in a prediabetic or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 one of my partners just spent the better part of a shift trying to keep a kid alive( they are still alive I think) who stopped keppra for refractory sz d/o because someone told them cannabis was better. It's too bad medicine spends so much time interfering with the process of natural selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMSGuy1982 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 one of my partners just spent the better part of a shift trying to keep a kid alive( they are still alive I think) who stopped keppra for refractory sz d/o because someone told them cannabis was better. they were in status seizures for HOURS on concurrent drips of keppra, phenobarb, fosphenytoin, propofol, and versed. they required intubation and pressor support as well. such a mess. I imagine that this is reportable? Though I'm sure that was pretty low on the to do list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMSGuy1982 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 While I'm no expert (yeah, I know lol), I have heard about evidence that cinnamon does help blood sugar, including from doctors. Not that that should completely replace insulin, but maybe as a little extra help in a prediabetic or something. Interesting. Uptodate says that meta-analyses have a significant beneficial effect on A1C, postprandial glucose or insulin levels. The trials the doctors are probably referencing are the ones with small sample sizes that did show some reduction in fasting glucose levels. Unfortunately, the trials were targeted at type 2 diabetics. Type 1 is a different beast and it's a bummer that most type 1 diabetic patients get lumped into the type 2 categories, especially in the eye of the public. There is however huge advancements on the horizon for type 1 diabetics with ViaCyte. Pretty exciting stuff. I'm sure the family friend meant well. Perhaps there are some prediabetics that would rather dump some cinnamon in their 60oz mocha instead of getting up for a workout or taking a look at their diets. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk732 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 There's a trial going on in Calgary of a woman that let her kid die of a strep infection because she thought that the oregano oil she was giving him should get rid of what ailed him...police and EMS were commenting on the smell of cannabis emanating from the apartment they were called to. I saw some voodoo dolls in the airport today that made me think of this very thing - pity they didn't have a doctor one that I could dress up like the local hippy homeopaths/live blood analysts and repeatedly poke in my spare time instead of sticking those needles in my eye every time I hear "My naturopath told me this..." or "the blood analyst says I have parasites" but they can't tell me what kind they are to treat them properly. Funny story actually, there was a time the blood analyst was actually right - the person had malaria - but the bucket of junk couldn't say what the parasites were (they weren't looking at the intracellular bodies, they were looking at free junk in the plasma, lol). Sometimes even a broken clock is right... SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 People have free will and can make choices - bad, good and indifferent. Unfortunately, personal responsibility doesn't exist and others (that would be us) get held to impossible standards and blamed for bad outcomes. Common sense isn't very common anymore. Kids shouldn't have to die because their parents make dumb choices. Somehow those little labels on homeopathic remedies that says "not studied by the FDA" and "not clinically proven" mean less than "natural" and "herbal"..... Better living is not always through chemistry but I am thankful everyday for medicinal advances we have. When a patient says that the remedy is "natural" -- my response is "so are pot and poppy plants and arsenic" Deep Sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk732 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 When a patient says that the remedy is "natural" -- my response is "so are pot and poppy plants and arsenic" Deep Sigh I had a rather famous quote by Paracelsus on my office wall that was placed where every patient had no choice but to see it - "All substances are poisons; there are no substances that are not poisons. The dose determines a poison or a cure." I'd point it out everytime someone would say "well it's natural"...so is Monk's Hood and Foxglove and snake venom I'd tell them. People only hear what they want to hear... SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 If only some could get the state board's of medicine involved in this kinda stuff, it could spin off and be the ruin of "advanced nursing." For example: A "kinesiologist" who diagnoses someone with a liver parasite that is the source of all of that person's ills because they are on well water. This no-shit happened with my very bright mother-in-law (who is fed up with "modern medicine" after her husband's life was 'stretched' after lung CA). A damn KINESIOLOGIST diagnosed her with a "liver parasite", and Rx'd her with about $300 a month in over-the-counter supplements that, of course, could only be bought in that shit-bag kinesiologist's office. I asked mom what the liver parasite was....shit-bag kinesiologist didn't TELL her that! Asked if he did any blood work....nope. But she was adamant. I offered to pay for testing of the water in the house (I drink that water!!) but she said no. Fortunately she tested it on her own and...whattaya know, that 100 year old well is still putting out crystal clear water. She has stopped the $300/month supplements.So...how is this POS charlatan NOT practicing medicine? He made a MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS and then PRESCRIBED A THERAPY. How is this not practicing medicine? I called the state board of healing arts and they simply said they don't have any authority over kinesiologists. Did some more research, and you know who DOES have authority over kinesiologists? NOBODY DOES!!! I wish the physicians would start aggressively fighting back against the quacks who practice medicine (defined as DIAGNOSING and TREATING medical conditions), including the "advanced nurses" who feel they should be able to diagnose and treat such conditions without any oversight. But that just wouldn't be nice, so therefore is politically incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk732 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 So many dumbasses...not enough live ammo. SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 My patient is STILL fixated on Adrenal Fatigue caused by stress. Even though he fired his Naturopath and came to me to figure out his diabetes on a ketogenic diet. He still asks me 5+ times per visit what we are going to do about his cortisol levels. Based on that perceived relationship - my adrenals have vacated my body or exploded. Deep Sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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