vaston Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 And I'm not going to re evaluate anything because YOU decided to take offense where none was intended or implied. You are absolutely right, I chose to be offended. It may not have been intended but that is how it was PERCEIVED. And as they say, perception is reality. You didn't mean it that way? You should have clarified. Apparently I'm not even the only one on this thread who feels that way. Tell me PAMAC, how do you describe your job as an MT? I worked as one for years and nobody knows what we are. I spent most of my time telling people that no, I'm not a phlebotomist. Do you describe it by comparing it to another field or do you validate your chosen profession by educating the person that is asking? I don't know about you, but I choose to educate. I have two professions that have very little public understanding. I make it a personal goal to help the public understand what I do by telling them, not comparing. Yes NP's and PA's are indeed peers, but I don't personally know of any NP's that would be ok with their profession being described as 'similar to physician assistants'. I also work with an NP and I can tell you that she hates being referred to as a PA (there are 2 PA's and 1 NP in my office). Yes, NP's have a better lobby. Yes they are well known. But I'm not an NP, I'm a PA. It's my responsibility to educate my patients about what I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaston Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 And I'm not going to re evaluate anything because YOU decided to take offense where none was intended or implied. You are absolutely right, I chose to be offended. It may not have been intended but that is how it was PERCEIVED. And as they say, perception is reality. You didn't mean it that way? You should have clarified. Apparently I'm not even the only one on this thread who feels that way. Tell me PAMAC, how do you describe your job as an MT? I worked as one for years and nobody knows what we are. I spent most of my time telling people that no, I'm not a phlebotomist. Do you describe it by comparing it to another field or do you validate your chosen profession by educating the person that is asking? I don't know about you, but I choose to educate. I have two professions that have very little public understanding. I make it a personal goal to help the public understand what I do by telling them, not comparing. Yes NP's and PA's are indeed peers, but I don't personally know of any NP's that would be ok with their profession being described as 'similar to physician assistants'. I also work with an NP and I can tell you that she hates being referred to as a PA (there are 2 PA's and 1 NP in my office). Yes, NP's have a better lobby. Yes they are well known. But I'm not an NP, I'm a PA. It's my responsibility to educate my patients about what I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 At this point, is there any quicker, more concise way to sum up the field? Yep. PAs practice medicine, and are the only profession besides MD or DO that can do so. They undergo masters level education in medicine and practice in every field where you find physicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 At this point, is there any quicker, more concise way to sum up the field? Yep. PAs practice medicine, and are the only profession besides MD or DO that can do so. They undergo masters level education in medicine and practice in every field where you find physicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 At this point, is there any quicker, more concise way to sum up the field? Yep. PAs practice medicine, and are the only profession besides MD or DO that can do so. They undergo masters level education in medicine and practice in every field where you find physicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I typically say the programs are similar but we draw more from paramedics than nurses and our clinical training is 2-3x as long based on the third yr of med school. It surprises me to hear you say that since the programs are extremely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I typically say the programs are similar but we draw more from paramedics than nurses and our clinical training is 2-3x as long based on the third yr of med school. It surprises me to hear you say that since the programs are extremely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I typically say the programs are similar but we draw more from paramedics than nurses and our clinical training is 2-3x as long based on the third yr of med school. It surprises me to hear you say that since the programs are extremely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I am a licensed health care provider that can diagnose disease and prescribe medications. I work with the physician to provide quality care for my patients. That usually does the trick. I have been trying to get away from the old laundry list of duties ("Pas can order and interpet tests, perform physical exams, write prescriptions, etc etc etc) The more you try to specify what you CAN do, you end up creating the impression in the mind of the listener that this is the ONLY thing you do. when we know PAs do so much more. I am trying to keep it broad yet simple. We practice medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I am a licensed health care provider that can diagnose disease and prescribe medications. I work with the physician to provide quality care for my patients. That usually does the trick. I have been trying to get away from the old laundry list of duties ("Pas can order and interpet tests, perform physical exams, write prescriptions, etc etc etc) The more you try to specify what you CAN do, you end up creating the impression in the mind of the listener that this is the ONLY thing you do. when we know PAs do so much more. I am trying to keep it broad yet simple. We practice medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I am a licensed health care provider that can diagnose disease and prescribe medications. I work with the physician to provide quality care for my patients. That usually does the trick. I have been trying to get away from the old laundry list of duties ("Pas can order and interpet tests, perform physical exams, write prescriptions, etc etc etc) The more you try to specify what you CAN do, you end up creating the impression in the mind of the listener that this is the ONLY thing you do. when we know PAs do so much more. I am trying to keep it broad yet simple. We practice medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 And separately, what is so revolting about NPs being a marker for what PAs do in a pinch? Because we are very different professions, we just arrive at a similar location. Ask a DO if they are a doctor, and they will say they are equivalent to an MD without disgust. If NPs are indeed peers, what's with the upset comparison? You came to the conclusion that I was placing PAs lower than NPs on your own. Would saying something like "we fill a similar role as an NP" seem equally repellent? It makes no more sense than syaing "we fill a similar role as an MD" which is true in a way but absoltuely uselss in explaining what a PA IS. I find in clinical situations, NPs don't seem to be upset with PAs and vice versa. My experience as well. Why is that the case here? Is a PA student going to go out and jump on the NP route because someone like you tells them that someone like me says they aren't as good as NPs (which I didn't at all say)? Because the point is to describe what a PA IS, not what they are LIKE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 And separately, what is so revolting about NPs being a marker for what PAs do in a pinch? Because we are very different professions, we just arrive at a similar location. Ask a DO if they are a doctor, and they will say they are equivalent to an MD without disgust. If NPs are indeed peers, what's with the upset comparison? You came to the conclusion that I was placing PAs lower than NPs on your own. Would saying something like "we fill a similar role as an NP" seem equally repellent? It makes no more sense than syaing "we fill a similar role as an MD" which is true in a way but absoltuely uselss in explaining what a PA IS. I find in clinical situations, NPs don't seem to be upset with PAs and vice versa. My experience as well. Why is that the case here? Is a PA student going to go out and jump on the NP route because someone like you tells them that someone like me says they aren't as good as NPs (which I didn't at all say)? Because the point is to describe what a PA IS, not what they are LIKE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 And separately, what is so revolting about NPs being a marker for what PAs do in a pinch? Because we are very different professions, we just arrive at a similar location. Ask a DO if they are a doctor, and they will say they are equivalent to an MD without disgust. If NPs are indeed peers, what's with the upset comparison? You came to the conclusion that I was placing PAs lower than NPs on your own. Would saying something like "we fill a similar role as an NP" seem equally repellent? It makes no more sense than syaing "we fill a similar role as an MD" which is true in a way but absoltuely uselss in explaining what a PA IS. I find in clinical situations, NPs don't seem to be upset with PAs and vice versa. My experience as well. Why is that the case here? Is a PA student going to go out and jump on the NP route because someone like you tells them that someone like me says they aren't as good as NPs (which I didn't at all say)? Because the point is to describe what a PA IS, not what they are LIKE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaston Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I have been trying to get away from the old laundry list of duties ("Pas can order and interpet tests, perform physical exams, write prescriptions, etc etc etc)The more you try to specify what you CAN do, you end up creating the impression in the mind of the listener that this is the ONLY thing you do. when we know PAs do so much more. I am trying to keep it broad yet simple. We practice medicine. You make some excellent points. I will incorporate "I practice medicine" into my explanation. I also use a proactive caring approach with my bedside manner to let them know subconsciously that I am there to give them the best care possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaston Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I have been trying to get away from the old laundry list of duties ("Pas can order and interpet tests, perform physical exams, write prescriptions, etc etc etc)The more you try to specify what you CAN do, you end up creating the impression in the mind of the listener that this is the ONLY thing you do. when we know PAs do so much more. I am trying to keep it broad yet simple. We practice medicine. You make some excellent points. I will incorporate "I practice medicine" into my explanation. I also use a proactive caring approach with my bedside manner to let them know subconsciously that I am there to give them the best care possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaston Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I have been trying to get away from the old laundry list of duties ("Pas can order and interpet tests, perform physical exams, write prescriptions, etc etc etc)The more you try to specify what you CAN do, you end up creating the impression in the mind of the listener that this is the ONLY thing you do. when we know PAs do so much more. I am trying to keep it broad yet simple. We practice medicine. You make some excellent points. I will incorporate "I practice medicine" into my explanation. I also use a proactive caring approach with my bedside manner to let them know subconsciously that I am there to give them the best care possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 11, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2012 It surprises me to hear you say that since the programs are extremely different. what I mean is that they are both around 2 years, require prior experience, and both include didactic and clinical rotation experiences. the main difference in clinical experience is the length of pa rotations when compared to np. it's hard to give a brief program description comparing to np's without seeming to discredit their educational process. I guess I could say "our clinical coursework and rotations are more like medschool than nursing school" but many would take offense at this(although it certainly is true). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 11, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2012 It surprises me to hear you say that since the programs are extremely different. what I mean is that they are both around 2 years, require prior experience, and both include didactic and clinical rotation experiences. the main difference in clinical experience is the length of pa rotations when compared to np. it's hard to give a brief program description comparing to np's without seeming to discredit their educational process. I guess I could say "our clinical coursework and rotations are more like medschool than nursing school" but many would take offense at this(although it certainly is true). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 11, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2012 It surprises me to hear you say that since the programs are extremely different. what I mean is that they are both around 2 years, require prior experience, and both include didactic and clinical rotation experiences. the main difference in clinical experience is the length of pa rotations when compared to np. it's hard to give a brief program description comparing to np's without seeming to discredit their educational process. I guess I could say "our clinical coursework and rotations are more like medschool than nursing school" but many would take offense at this(although it certainly is true). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I also use a proactive caring approach with my bedside manner to let them know subconsciously that I am there to give them the best care possible. Well now you're just trying to sound like a nurse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I also use a proactive caring approach with my bedside manner to let them know subconsciously that I am there to give them the best care possible. Well now you're just trying to sound like a nurse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I also use a proactive caring approach with my bedside manner to let them know subconsciously that I am there to give them the best care possible. Well now you're just trying to sound like a nurse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaston Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Well now you're just trying to sound like a nurse. Sigh........not really sure to put that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaston Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Well now you're just trying to sound like a nurse. Sigh........not really sure to put that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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