Woody85 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I'm just curious as to what others think about the newly released 2013 salary report. When comparing the 2010 national numbers to the 2013 numbers it seems like salaries are pretty stagnant… Specifically speaking in 2010 median national wage was 90,000 and in 2013 it was 90,000 for salary only and 100,000 for salary plus bonus. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvi1kd Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Yeah I was thinking the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialMedicine Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I bet in 2024 the salary will be 100,000 if we are lucky because of saturation. About that time DeVry the automotive and AC repair school should be about ready to open their PA program. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jb555 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Where have you found the report? Another thread had a link to PAConnect, but it didn't work. I would really like to see the data for my upcoming review. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wjm7 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 http://www.aapa.org/research/data_and_statistics/resources/item.aspx?id=7107 You'll need to log in once you get to this page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jb555 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialMedicine Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 not good. everybody else's salaries going up. and here we are with another 80-100 PA programs in the making and all existing programs increasing enrollment. no control over the profession, total disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm7 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 not good. everybody else's salaries going up. and here we are with another 80-100 PA programs in the making and all existing programs increasing enrollment. no control over the profession, total disaster. I always love an optimist! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srobinson20 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The reasoning for new programs being administered is because of the high demand of PA's and specifically, primary care providers. This is an extremely hot field that is clearly on the rise as we shift to the new era of Healthcare in the United States. The shortage of primary care providers continues to extend beyond PA's because the money and high salary wages clearly is in specialties and will continue being there. For the current programs adding 10-15 seats to their programs and new programs being accredited each year I still don't see this profession ever 'capping off'. More programs, more seats, It is because of the demand of the profession and the shift to the cost efficient model of using PA's over teams of doctors. Compared to other health professional programs we will still be much more exclusive when looking at our total job to total number of PA's ratio even if we are adding a good amount of new programs over the next few years. I love where my profession is going and although I'd like to see our average salary keep increasing (slowly it will), ultimately it will not skyrocket because the future of PA's is not specialty it is primary care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will352ns Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 .......or the stagnation could simply be a sign of the times. Look around, just about every area of the economy/labor force has taken a beating in the last 5 years. It is unusual to see many professions holding steady. Just a guess....not an economist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The reasoning for new programs being administered is because of the high demand of PA's and specifically, primary care providers. This is an extremely hot field that is clearly on the rise as we shift to the new era of Healthcare in the United States. The shortage of primary care providers continues to extend beyond PA's because the money and high salary wages clearly is in specialties and will continue being there. For the current programs adding 10-15 seats to their programs and new programs being accredited each year I still don't see this profession ever 'capping off'. More programs, more seats, It is because of the demand of the profession and the shift to the cost efficient model of using PA's over teams of doctors. Compared to other health professional programs we will still be much more exclusive when looking at our total job to total number of PA's ratio even if we are adding a good amount of new programs over the next few years. I love where my profession is going and although I'd like to see our average salary keep increasing (slowly it will), ultimately it will not skyrocket because the future of PA's is not specialty it is primary care. You might want to take off your rose colored glasses. The shortage of primary care providers really only exists for medicaid and, to a lesser extent, medicare patients. On top of the pittance that these programs pay for primary visits, they only pay 85% of this for visits by a PA. Furthermore, most of these organizations are run by managers, not providers, who would rather have that extra 15% so will hire a physician (or a DNP if that goes through). As to the "adding 10-15 seats" and scores of new programs not "capping off" income...take a look at the nursing profession in many major areas. Experienced nurses are having no problems, but new nurses are having difficulties finding jobs. In my area the hospitals have such a glut of nurses they are now only hiring BSN nurses, the LPN/LVNs are left to the nursing homes. Lastly...the trend over the past 10-15 years for the PA profession is AWAY from primary care and toward specialty care. I don't have a crystal ball so I'm not going to tell you where the profession is going, but I have a very clear understanding of where it came from and I can tell you the potential for job- and wage- stagnation is very much there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialMedicine Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 nursing profession and legal profession ..... I cringe when I hear people going to 3rd rate schools in these fields. I hope this is not what I feel when a future friend or relative decides to enter PA school. The rhetoric about many entering into primary care and the "doctor shortage" has been contested on numerous fronts. DO NOT say it is true or false unless you have command over the workforce and policy literature. I will be the first to admit I do not have this but from conversations with smarter people and some reading it seems the growth of the PA and NP profession is quite high in the next 5-7 years and nobody seems to include these numbers in workforce models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AREID Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The reasoning for new programs being administered is because of the high demand of PA's and specifically, primary care providers. This is an extremely hot field that is clearly on the rise as we shift to the new era of Healthcare in the United States. The shortage of primary care providers continues to extend beyond PA's because the money and high salary wages clearly is in specialties and will continue being there. For the current programs adding 10-15 seats to their programs and new programs being accredited each year I still don't see this profession ever 'capping off'. More programs, more seats, It is because of the demand of the profession and the shift to the cost efficient model of using PA's over teams of doctors. Compared to other health professional programs we will still be much more exclusive when looking at our total job to total number of PA's ratio even if we are adding a good amount of new programs over the next few years. I love where my profession is going and although I'd like to see our average salary keep increasing (slowly it will), ultimately it will not skyrocket because the future of PA's is not specialty it is primary care. In theory this is nice, in reality it's BS lol. Only 20% of PAs are in primary care. PAs are going into specialties also, we are STILL going to have a shortage of primary care Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunafish Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Why universities should care about market saturation or job placement for their graduates? They are in a money making business. No one can blame them for this. Graduates of no name-find your own rotations can still find jobs, it has been said multiple times here that school and/or grades doesn't matter for PA employment. I guess till this situation changes there will be no reason for DeVry not to open a PA program. As far as shortage of providers - there is clearly a shortage... try to call a doctor's office and schedule an appointment for today or tomorrow. Especially, if it is just an annual physical for a new patient. I bet you can find an optometry appointment for today and tomorrow much easier. I see lots of doom and gloom about market saturation. What lawyers, scientists or administrative assistants should do - shoot themselves in comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiggler Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I feel that the salaries reported in the survey are extremely high compared to what the people I know make. A know a girl fresh out of PA school making $65k working for the state run community health clinics. No call, weekends, and she gets every holiday off and great healthcare and retirement benefits. The local hospital starts new grads at 78k and after a couple years they are at 85k with annual 5% productivity bonuses. I think the AAPA is greatly over stating the salaries. Lets be honest nobody is going to respect the DNP degree. It is a Doctorate of Nursing Practice not a Doctorate of Nurse Practitioner. It might work to our advantage as more physicians will hate them for short cutting medical school. If they hate them more they will hate us less.... If you look at the credits for a masters in family Nurse practitioner + a DNP degree, it falls right around 100 credits. MPAS programs average at least 100 graduate credits. Anybody that has an MPAS degree technically already had a doctorate degree. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunafish Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I feel that the salaries reported in the survey are extremely high compared to what the people I know make. A know a girl fresh out of PA school making $65k working for the state run community health clinics. No call, weekends, and she gets every holiday off and great healthcare and retirement benefits. The local hospital starts new grads at 78k and after a couple years they are at 85k with annual 5% productivity bonuses. I think the AAPA is greatly over stating the salaries. Lets be honest nobody is going to respect the DNP degree. It is a Doctorate of Nursing Practice not a Doctorate of Nurse Practitioner. It might work to our advantage as more physicians will hate them for short cutting medical school. If they hate them more they will hate us less.... If you look at the credits for a masters in family Nurse practitioner + a DNP degree, it falls right around 100 credits. MPAS programs average at least 100 graduate credits. Anybody that has an MPAS degree technically already had a doctorate degree. Just my two cents. they show median. half of people make less than a figure shown for any given category. Half make more. they do not have new grads - they have 4 years and less. Big difference IMHO. no experience. 4 years of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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