Apollo1 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 On 3/8/2024 at 10:35 AM, Ty2PA said: I don't think it's selfish to ask for fair payment for increased work. The vast majority of preceptors are not paid faculty; workload increases regardless of how "good" the student is. They still need to be supervised and information about pts verified; physical exams redone to a certain degree, results of evaluations discussed and further education on the nuance of a specialty that PA school doesn't address. Part of how preceptor workflow is affected depends on the specialty and average volume of pts seen. House of God put it well: "Show me a BMS (Best Medical Student) who only triples my work and I will kiss his feet." I'm all for limiting payment to established preceptors who have a track-record of excellence, and newer preceptors must demonstrate this before qualifying for pay (to show the student is getting value out of the rotation). BUT, the education/healthcare professions have exploited clinicians into giving out freebies in the name of professionalism/honoring the past/whatever you want to call it. There's a trade in goods/services here; our knowledge and experience (once verified) should be recognized beyond a "hey thanks." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 I guess next time the local Little League is looking for coaches, I'll send them an invoice. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo1 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I get the joke, but that’s faulty logic. Little Leaguers aren’t in professional training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakaHoo Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I would like to be the next CEO of Apple. Maybe Tim Cook will let me shadow him for 6-8 weeks free of charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 3 hours ago, ShakaHoo said: I would like to be the next CEO of Apple. Maybe Tim Cook will let me shadow him for 6-8 weeks free of charge. Maybe no one has ever asked him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 3 hours ago, Apollo1 said: I get the joke, but that’s faulty logic. Little Leaguers aren’t in professional training. Yeah, but it's my time, and my time is worth something. I spent a long time playing and learning skills, paying for private lessons, etc. And being an EMS volunteer? Suckers! Forget that, show me the money! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Val Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 For you folks who regularly precept students, how long do you think a PA should be in practice before he or she starts taking on students? How much expertise or experience is necessary to be an effective preceptor? I would like to precept at some point (whether paid or unpaid), but I've only been practicing for a couple of years and feel like I still have a lot to learn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedRate Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, Aunt Val said: For you folks who regularly precept students, how long do you think a PA should be in practice before he or she starts taking on students? How much expertise or experience is necessary to be an effective preceptor? I would like to precept at some point (whether paid or unpaid), but I've only been practicing for a couple of years and feel like I still have a lot to learn. I think two years is good. Personally, having students helped me learn even more and in more ways than one. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted March 14 Moderator Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, SedRate said: I think two years is good. Personally, having students helped me learn even more and in more ways than one. Agree- I had my first students year 3 into practice. 2 would have been fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 6 hours ago, Aunt Val said: For you folks who regularly precept students, how long do you think a PA should be in practice before he or she starts taking on students? Apparently these days, it is whenever you want the additional revenue stream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paramedico Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Done it for years without pay. Never asked to be paid. Never was asked to be paid. I'd take it if it were offered though. That's just gravy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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