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  1. Do y'all in EM try to find out what the starting rate is with a certain group vs. what is marketed by a recruiter? Rumor has it that it's not unheard of for a recruiter to list a lower starting and pocket the difference.
  2. You're inferring emotion in a strictly text reponse without any overt cues to how I feel. For the sake of clarity, there was no emotion behind my response. You may want to check what preconceptions you have. If you're in a rotation with surgical privileges or are in the E.D., then it's distinctly possible that you may break a sweat. The vast majority of rotations and interactions with patients typically don't involve issues beyond reapplication of some deodorant (if even needed).
  3. NPs are not under the Board of Medicine, and aren't technically required to have a supervising physician. They regulate themselves and have more lobbying power because there are more RNs than PAs. Legislators are being told that NPs are expanding into the rural areas to provide care to patients who are underserved, but in reality the vast majority of them are remaining in urban/suburban areas. It's cheaper for a hospital to hire an NP, because the hospital will continue to max bill the patient without having to pay for a supervising physician and won't have to pay the NP as much as the physician.
  4. Pack a small thing of deodorant in your bag. It's pretty straight forward...
  5. https://health.ucdavis.edu/financialaid/coa-son.html - With California shifting towards NPs being able to practice w/o supervision, I'd give a hard look at those costs. The end-goal is being able to get a job and service your debt. Many executives in the C-suite aren't able to distinguish PA and NP, and it usually costs them less money to hire NPs. Both of these citations are old. I haven't found any new information regarding average debt for more recently graduated cohorts. https://paeaonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/MSS_Indebtedness.pdf (Read pg. 3 for relevant topic info) https://www.aafp.org/dam/rgc/documents/publications-reports/reports/impact-debt-physician-assistants.pdf (Read pg. 6 for relevant topic info)
  6. First, list what your expected tuition is there so that it may be compared. Second, published debt calculations don't necessarily isolate for tuition debt alone. Average debt will vary on the program attended, what you CoL expenses are, etc.
  7. Variety is the spice of life, and regarding PCE I think this is doubly true. Of the 3 options you listed, I would rank them as: ED>>EMS>COVID. There's not much you can learn as an EMT in the field that will "prepare" you for working in an ED. The ED is a better choice for experience w/ your license because you'll see a greater number of patients with a greater variation in pathology (compared to EMS). In addition, you'll be around physicians and PAs which can be leveraged for additional knowledge, and possibly LORs/rotation sites.
  8. I'm not a big fan of the proposed name change to MCP, but agree that the profession needs a huge boost in marketing. Our education destroys what is provided by NP school, and we skim the surface. I understand the financial argument for a transition, but I think if a bridge program did occur, it would eventually result in an even greater proportion of midlevels/APPs/whatever we'd be called who are not ready for practice.
  9. 1. PANCE pass rate-->Both programs have acceptable numbers. 2. Total debt burden-->School 1 saves you $20k. 3. Assumption that you'll have a job right after graduation-->You have no way of guaranteeing immediate job placement; being a good student on rotations while networking w/ preceptors is better than relying on an alumni network who only know you as a student of their alma mater. The mode of lecture delivery during didactic phase is a toss-up. I enjoyed some of the virtual lectures during COVID b/c I could watch at my own pace and get through materials faster than how they were given in the classroom. Same goes for A&P; I've had some practicing PAs who emphasized the value of cadaver lab, and others who say that the lack of it didn't affect their practice or knowledge base. Choose to go where you are most comfortable, but don't project hypothetical scenarios into ways of how one certain program matches or exceeds another.
  10. Be prepared to answer why you went through getting a BSN in 2020 but then applying to PA school + 1 year later, considering you had enough hours to apply to PA school beforehand.
  11. This is just beyond stupid.
  12. Rotation-specific prep you should ask from students in the cohort above you. They'll be the best source for what your preceptors are expecting. In general, go back over ROS and Physical Exam skills so you don't have to reference them as often while conducting an HPI. There's a separate thread regarding pimping questions ("I'm the Object..." or something along those lines); it's dated, but still has some decent info. Figure out what additional resources you'll use to study (Rosh, UWorld, Kaplan, Hippo, etc.); class notes typically don't get the job done alone. Finally, organize notes together based on body system (ex. Cardiology-->A&P, ClinMed, Pharm) if you haven't already for easier reference during the year.
  13. OP, many of us also deal with paying school through loans and sympathize with your situation. HOWEVER, a potential applicant has no guarantee that you know what you're doing when it comes to reviewing and giving feedback on personal statements. You state that you want to help pre-PAs, but the way in which you want to do it may very well have the opposite effect. There are other ways you can help potential applicants. If you're an undergrad student who is interested in PA school, please look into using your university writing center for feedback on personal statements.
  14. In the hypothetical, what if OP said no? Does it change the initial DDx or the subsequent management?
  15. Your own personal situation doesn't mirror the majority of applicants to PA school. Many, if not most students aren't working a job where they are directly applying concepts that they were also exposed to in the classroom. Ergo, that knowledge (or even basic recall) is lost over time. If an arbitrary period of time has passed and that matriculating student doesn't have the foundation still with them to some degree, they're potentially being set up for failure. I agree that certain undergrad courses aren't directly utilized during didactic phase, but other ones are. It's more fair to have the same course repeat requirements than to pick-and-choose which ones don't have to be repeated vs. which ones do.
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