FSUnoles Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I'm trying to figure out where the money goes when we aren't in class and just come to take eors. This is especially confusing when the school doesn't pay preceptors I know this is for pretty much all PA programs but can't get a straight answer Sent from my HTC Glacier using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonD Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 They want money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taotaox1 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 The costs of finding, maintaining, organizing, and taking care of the legal issues is likely rather high. also, they likely just average the cost over 2 years, and the first year is cost is subsidized by the second. Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoc Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 totaaox1 is correct. If you were charged per semester based on the cost of your education, the didactic phase would be extremely high while the clinical phase would be lower (but still costly). Most students have financial aid loans which have a ceiling that wouldn't cover the didactic costs and provide you with living expenses so the programs amortize it over the entire curriculum. Remember, all but a very few PA programs are in not-for-profit educational institutions so your costs are reasonably close to the actual cost of educating you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulPA Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Same is true for all nurses and med students too. The University wants the money plan and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiaroscuro27 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Same is true for all nurses and med students too. The University wants the money plan and simple. Absolutely. Schools are getting hip to the game very quickly. PA programs can increase revenue for a university substantially. When you take into account what we learn and what we are able to do on clinical rotations, the liability factor warrants the outrageous fees. It is what it is, and in spite of that students are applying by the thousands each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterallsummer Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 PA schools have a monopoly in a way. They can charge whatever the hell they want, and no matter how ridiculously expensive it gets, they will still be turning aw ay hundreds or even thousands of students that would love to take out (relatively) high interest loans to pay the cost. Sucks but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonD Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Another reason for the move to MS...they can charge a lot more money for graduate v. undergrad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjapac Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I know its so frustrating. More PA programs are opening up and taking advantage of the situation. I was always thinking " where does the $$ go" during my clinical yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 The clinical year cost the same as the didactic year because like in every college... you are being charged per Credit. Graduate credits typically cost much more than undergraduate credit. Sometimes up to $850/credit hour or more...!! As was stated above... $$$$$$$ is one of the real reasons for the move to masters degrees. Especially when you consider that there is NO clinical difference or even difference in skillz/clinical accumen between a PA-C with a Masters degree and one with a Certificate from a PA program. It was about the LOOT..!!!! I paid $24k for my combined PA/NP certificate Then paid $1,500 for my Bachelors degree Then paid $3,500 for my Masteres degree For the grand total of $29,000... As a longtime clinical preceptor (Behavioral Medicine), who has precepted ~ 14 students/yr (1-2 students every month from Sep-June)... I'm haviing a really difficult time seeing why you guys are getting charged $80k + for the same education. Especially when for the most part... We basically teach ourselves the info the first yr. Then leave campus and wander the clerkships the second year. As PA school is self motivated/directed education. But hey... The "Kids" bought into the idea that experience doesn't matter and "Advanced Degrees will somehow legitimize our profession." Now they are complaining about the cost of those advanced degrees... and will likely be complaining about the loss of lateral mobility now that CAQ has been unleashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterallsummer Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Yep. The school I intend on going to is 81K and they said tuition will raise. The other one I am considering is 61K and same thing, tuition went up. The 81K school charges a whopping 992 dollars per credit, and this is the amount that will increase. Sucks man sucks. Just wanna do some good in this life and make a decent living but everyone is capitalizing on us :/. Anyway, no point in going down a negative spiral. My plan is to work 60+ hours my first 2 years and pay off as much as possible, then just bite the bullet for the next few years and plug away. Once I graduate, I intend to still live on 30-40K a year with roommates and whatnot in order to pay back as much of my loans as I can. I'm also consider loan repayment programs though I really do not want to do a rural practice (hoping to find an inner city one, ideally). What can we do? We really have no other choice here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSUnoles Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 thanks for the replies guys. makes me wonder why i didnt got PA - C associates sometimes when i see how much it costs. I just cant stand to be swimming in debt already looking to find a loan repayment program when i graduate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonD Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 What can we do? We really have no other choice here. There is the military or the Public Health Service. PHS will PAY YOU about $1100/month (depending where you live) to go to PA school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterallsummer Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Do you have a website with more info for PHS? What's the catch? Anyway I plan to do the HRSA loan repayment (3 years for 90K loan repaid) once I graduate. Honestly I have a lot of respect for the military but don't ever want to join it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinntsp Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Do you have a website with more info for PHS? What's the catch? Anyway I plan to do the HRSA loan repayment (3 years for 90K loan repaid) once I graduate. Honestly I have a lot of respect for the military but don't ever want to join it myself. http://www.usphs.gov/student/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonD Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 For every year of school the PHS pays for, you owe them two years. Usually you will work in a high-need area...Indian reservation, federal prison, inner-city clinic, though I know a PHS PA who works on a neuro-surgery team at the NIH. You will get full military benefits while in the PHS -- free health care, housing allowance, commissary privileges, and full retirement after 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterallsummer Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Unfortunately the deadline has passed for PHS as I'm starting school this summer. If I could do it for my 2nd year though, that would be awesome. Can you still do NHSC loan repayment after as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delco714 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I pay >$1000cr. Going up in the fall for my last year :).. I'm sure my school needs $39000 per student for the clinical year when we don't pay sites.. Plus my didactic was split into two years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator True Anomaly Posted January 31, 2012 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2012 I paid $24k for my combined PA/NP certificate Then paid $1,500 for my Bachelors degree Then paid $3,500 for my Masteres degree For the grand total of $29,000... As a longtime clinical preceptor (Behavioral Medicine), who has precepted ~ 14 students/yr (1-2 students every month from Sep-June)... I'm haviing a really difficult time seeing why you guys are getting charged $80k + for the same education. Especially when for the most part... We basically teach ourselves the info the first yr. Then leave campus and wander the clerkships the second year. As PA school is self motivated/directed education. But hey... The "Kids" bought into the idea that experience doesn't matter and "Advanced Degrees will somehow legitimize our profession." Now they are complaining about the cost of those advanced degrees... and will likely be complaining about the loss of lateral mobility now that CAQ has been unleashed. Except if you live in Texas, where the cost of higher education is so damn cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator True Anomaly Posted January 31, 2012 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2012 I paid $24k for my combined PA/NP certificate Then paid $1,500 for my Bachelors degree Then paid $3,500 for my Masteres degree For the grand total of $29,000... As a longtime clinical preceptor (Behavioral Medicine), who has precepted ~ 14 students/yr (1-2 students every month from Sep-June)... I'm haviing a really difficult time seeing why you guys are getting charged $80k + for the same education. Especially when for the most part... We basically teach ourselves the info the first yr. Then leave campus and wander the clerkships the second year. As PA school is self motivated/directed education. But hey... The "Kids" bought into the idea that experience doesn't matter and "Advanced Degrees will somehow legitimize our profession." Now they are complaining about the cost of those advanced degrees... and will likely be complaining about the loss of lateral mobility now that CAQ has been unleashed. Except if you live in Texas, where the cost of higher education is so damn cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taotaox1 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Lol, I was about to ask if contrarian went to a public/state school in a place like texas :) UTSW was my first choice due to the entire program cost being in that range. Also, I was curious when he got his degree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taotaox1 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Lol, I was about to ask if contrarian went to a public/state school in a place like texas :) UTSW was my first choice due to the entire program cost being in that range. Also, I was curious when he got his degree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosefraba1 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Now they are complaining about the cost of those advanced degrees... and will likely be complaining about the loss of lateral mobility now that CAQ has been unleashed. Excuse my ignorance..... but what is this CAQ that you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planteater Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 http://www.nccpa.net/SpecialtyCAQs.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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