piteog Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 As a physician, I am curious about your views on what characterizes the ideal PA-physician relationship within a group practice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmj11 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Deep, Mutual Respect. That sums it up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I have worked with many physicians in my career so far. I have an incomparable relatoinship with the chief surgeon at my current practice. I've had at least 4 other job offers siec being here and turned them all down based largely on wanting to keep working with this doc. -treated like a colleague, not an "assistant" -a doc who will progressively teach to the PA's abilities, so that the PA gathers more and more skill/autonomy/responsibility -that each considers the other a friend as much (if not more) as they are coworkers -someone who will go to bat for you when you need an advocate (support, benefits, compensation, worklife, etc) and most importantly there is an old saying about "The Three A's" of a great surgeon (doc): Affable Available Able If they approach their relationship with PAs in the same way, you're in good shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiovolffemtp Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 What AndersonPA said is exactly what I'm hoping to find once I start working: a group of EM physicians that will expect me to work hard and be a proficient learner, teach me, insist that I take responsibility for my own learning, and expand my scope of practice as I demonstrate the ability to handle it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I wish we had a like button, AndersonPA hit this on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulPA Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Nice Job Andersenpa ! I might add a physician that doesn't dump the scut work. Yep it has to be done but spread the scut wealth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paporzelt Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 AndersonPA, that was said perfectly. I left that kind of environment to become a PA, at the encouragement of the three best physicians i have ever known, and they treated their entire staff like co-workers, and with such respect that they have retained more employees for longer than any other department in the multispecialty practice, despite being one of the most overworked departments. Being happy to go to work everyday, not only because of what you do, but because of who you work with makes life seem a thousand times easier than if you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted December 15, 2011 Moderator Share Posted December 15, 2011 treat me like a peer treat me with respect teach and I will learn, but also be open to learning what I have to teach don't try to retire off my efforts - pay me a fair wage - if you are not sure what this is look at the AAPA salary data and realize that the 50% percentile is exactly that - if you keep me happy I will make you A LOT of money over the next number of years. do an occasional nice thing for no reason (this is just good management) ie buy a book, take out to lunch, give me a small bonus ie $100, give me an extra day off Say nice things in public, say constructive things in private NEVER undermine me to a patient - if it is a stylistic choice on a clinical decision realize it and back me up (if there is no threat to patient safety think very very hard before changing A/P of a patient). If you change a plan let me know why - amazingly enough "I have known this family for 35 years and this is what we should do" might even be enough if I am seeing them for the first few times. Allow me to share some of the pressures of running a practice - sometimes we actually really understand what needs to be done..... realizing that many PA's used to have huge life experience prior to being a PA and we might bring a very valuable view point and my current pet peeve - let me run my own schedule - you can put qualifiers on it - but no one like having every minute of every day dictated to them and patient volumes forced onto them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Febrifuge Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 You know, this might just be something about my temperament and personality, and I've always found it relevant to my various work roles, but it really, REALLY applies to my PA career: I've come to have a lot of respect for the Pygmalion Effect. In a nutshell, if my boss appears to think of me as someone who can't be trusted to do the most basic things without a stifling amount of close supervision, I find I'm a lot less interested in impressing that person (although I will strive to get them to leave me alone). If my boss acts as though I'm capable of handling things on my own, I really am -- and if I'm not, it's kind of amazing how hard I'll work to become so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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