Forced To Get Flu Shot or Terminated

[taotaox1]

JMPA, you realize that labor laws that force private business to do things they don't want to (like continue employing unvaccinated people, homosexuals, etc) is a associated with liberals right? A classical right wing stance would be that the hospital can do whatever the hell it wants. Your rant about communism sounds to me like the kid, who when told not to do something, starts yelling "I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT IT IS A FREE COUNTRY". Your statement makes it clear you do not have a clear understanding of the subjects you are broaching, be it communism or labor law.

 

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[camoman1234]

Could someone please post evidence that getting a flu shot does not spread the virus to others? I am confused on how the vaccine can stop one from carry the virus in their nasal/respiratory system? To me, the vaccine makes it less likely to be "as sick" and miss work, if matched properly for the 200 + strains out there, but no evidence for the safety, efficacy, and/or less transmission of the virus. This vaccine is not like the MMR vaccine because every year the flu viruses mutate and do it all through the "flu" season so getting good immunity is impossible in my eyes. Lastly, I would like evidence on how the hospitals can make one wear a mask when there is also no evidence that shows mask stop the spread of the flu virus. I think the shot makes people less aware of the best ways to stop the spread of the flu (WASHING hands and coughing in your elbow, etc) and gives people a false sense of security that they are protected from all strains of the virus.  

[Gisele]

Ok, so I subject myself to all the added crap in the flu shot because I have to in order to keep my job and pacify those who get monetary reimbursement from this incredibly lucrative vaccine business. I am now, at best, 60% "immune" to the flu bugs of the season, which is only 3 or 4 of the many flu bugs circulating in our environment. I may or may not suffer ill effects from this vaccine. I have no guarantee of it's safety. I have no recourse if I am damaged by it, now or in the future. The problem is, I come down with the flu. Maybe it is a virus not covered in the vaccine, or maybe the vaccine wasn't very effective this year. I nevertheless have the flu and have exposed my patients to it, even though I have been compliant with my state's vaccination policy. I'm sorry, but this isn't acceptable. For every government-funded study that is pro-flu shot, you can find an independent study that is against it. My mother has received every vaccine available to her for the past 30 years. She now has 4 autoimmune diseases. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. I refuse the flu shot. Period. I will wear a mask, and if that is too difficult, I will quit. I will not place my health in jeapordy. I know firsthand how precious good health is. I will not be bullied into getting it.

[taotaox1]

My mother has received every vaccine available to her for the past 30 years. She now has 4 autoimmune diseases. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

And every person who as ever died drank water at some point. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. Now that I think about it, I all those kids with autism also drank water.....

 

 

Seriously though, vaccination, even if it really did cause the myriad of problems the uneducated heap on them, save more lives than they have ever harmed. By orders of magnitude.

 

I certainly understand the desire to maintain ones health, and understand the statstics surrounding vaccination well enough to know that whatever slight risk I am taking is insignificant compared to the risk of avoiding them.

 

That said, real value of flu shots is still being researched and it may be too early for them to become manditory, but claiming that vaccines are why your mom has autoimmune diseases is unfounded fear mongering.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest JMPA]

JMPA, you realize that labor laws that force private business to do things they don't want to (like continue employing unvaccinated people, homosexuals, etc) is a associated with liberals right? A classical right wing stance would be that the hospital can do whatever the hell it wants. Your rant about communism sounds to me like the kid, who when told not to do something, starts yelling "I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT IT IS A FREE COUNTRY". Your statement makes it clear you do not have a clear understanding of the subjects you are broaching, be it communism or labor law.

 

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obviously you have no understanding of liberal vs conservative views. labor laws are not liberal, they are constitutional. (in the general sense) the theory of vaccination is still just a theory that cannot repeat cannot be objectively proven. as stated by camom1234 post, why would you put something foreign in your body if it is unknow the effects or outcome and no one is held respnosible for injury?  i truly hope that you are not practicing medicine in any form for your ignorance and arrogance is a combination for disaster

[taotaox1]

obviously you have no understanding of liberal vs conservative views. labor laws are not liberal, they are constitutional.

Uh. What?

 

(in the general sense) the theory of vaccination is still just a theory that cannot repeat cannot be objectively proven.

 

Uh. Double what.

 

i truly hope that you are not practicing medicine in any form for your ignorance and arrogance is a combination for disaster

lol, your my favorite troll.

 

 

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[68W2PA]

..the theory of vaccination is still just a theory that cannot repeat cannot be objectively proven. ...

 

Could you elaborate on this for me? I am new in my studies and I was unaware that there was any raging controversy or even real question about the concepts of immunology and vaccination.

 

I understand the questions about additives and risks. I just wasn't aware that there are people that question the entire concept of vaccination.

 

Edit:

This is really blowing my mind. I always assumed the anti-vaccine people accepted the concept of vaccination and immunology. I always thought they were just arguing for safer vaccines or more testing to rule out stuff like autoimmune diseases or autism or whatever. I don't recall anybody yelling about the travesty of smallpox or polio vaccinations. Maybe they are...?

 

It just never occurred to me that they reject vaccination as a whole or that it is "just a theory".

 

Honestly, I am kind of surprised to read this here.

[taotaox1]

Eh, nevermind. Gonna bow out of this one. :)

 

[Gisele]

Taotao: why is it that when someone disagrees with a pro vaccine person, they are insulted and called names....."unfounded fear mongering", "the uneducated" ? I have found this to be true on virtually every forum I have visited. I did not insult or ridicule you or anyone else for your position. Vaccines and water are obviously incomparable. If you stopped your attack long enough to re-read my post, you would see that it is about the FLU vaccine. I did not offer my opinion on any other vaccine, so your generalization is off-base in relation to my post, which seems to be your target. Good for you that you understand the statistics and are willing to accept the "slight risk". I also understand the statistics, do not feel they should be trivialized, and choose not to take the risk. You should respect my choice, as I respect yours. I do feel though, after reading your comments again, that you could benefit from some reading comprehension classes. I did not claim that my Mother's health issues are a result of the many vaccines she has received throughout her life. I merely stated a fact, pondered a possible cause, and concluded that the answer is unknown. Most community colleges can help you to better understand the written word. Who knows, maybe you'll change your position on the flu vaccine :)

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[taotaox1]

Oops, was meant for PM! Nothing to see here :)

[Gisele]

Taotaox1: If this reply is for me, apology accepted. I don't think we will ever all agree on this topic. Best of luck to you as well.

[camoman1234]

And every person who as ever died drank water at some point. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. Now that I think about it, I all those kids with autism also drank water..... Seriously though, vaccination, even if it really did cause the myriad of problems the uneducated heap on them, save more lives than they have ever harmed. By orders of magnitude. I certainly understand the desire to maintain ones health, and understand the statstics surrounding vaccination well enough to know that whatever slight risk I am taking is insignificant compared to the risk of avoiding them. That said, real value of flu shots is still being researched and it may be too early for them to become manditory, but claiming that vaccines are why your mom has autoimmune diseases is unfounded fear mongering. Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2

Do you have data on vaccines saving more lives than harmed? Cause the VAERS system only accounts for about 5% of adverse effects and is a poor system for reporting. Please don't believe everything everyone tells you. Please read articles and research for yourself. Don't rely off drug reps, vaccine companies, etc telling you about their medications they have and blah blah blah. Your more than welcome to be a lab rat for the vaccine companies...

[Guest JMPA]

ellaborate? ok, so a patient is given a vaccine against A virus. the patient does not get A virus. does that mean the patient was immune from the vaccine? so now the patient is exposed to A virus and the patient does not get A virus, does the prove that the patient is immune from the vaccine? No. and why? well factors and no proven direct link. maybe patient cannot get A virus because they do not have receptors for it. maybe patient cannot get A virus becauseother immune defenses, ect. so how do we prove that the vaccine prevents infection? all that is used is "probable data". how can one prove prevention? they can't. they can only theorize. another theory is that high cholesterol causes CAD. is cholesterol involved in cad, yes. does high levels causes it? unknown, unproven, other factors not discovered yet.

[camoman1234]

Could you elaborate on this for me? I am new in my studies and I was unaware that there was any raging controversy or even real question about the concepts of immunology and vaccination.

 

I understand the questions about additives and risks. I just wasn't aware that there are people that question the entire concept of vaccination.

 

Edit:

This is really blowing my mind. I always assumed the anti-vaccine people accepted the concept of vaccination and immunology. I always thought they were just arguing for safer vaccines or more testing to rule out stuff like autoimmune diseases or autism or whatever. I don't recall anybody yelling about the travesty of smallpox or polio vaccinations. Maybe they are...?

 

It just never occurred to me that they reject vaccination as a whole or that it is "just a theory".

 

Honestly, I am kind of surprised to read this here.

Just for starts, IgA immunity. How is that stimulated with 99% of the vaccines? Do immunologist and/or vaccine companies don't think that IgA is important?

http://www.invivogen.com/review-iga

[True Anomaly]

Well, it's nice to see that the thread got to the second page before it took it's inevitable turn