Dana815 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 I was hoping to get some feedback on my situation. I have been working in occupational medicine with my sp for 4 years. Recently I was asked to appear for a deposition b/c a patient I saw is trying to sue his company. Now when my sp does depositions he gets paid directly, check made to him. So the office manager had the lawyer make the check for this one to me, $900 for 2 hours. My sp flipped out and demanded that I sign the check over to them b/c I'm on salary.(btw I don't make $450 an hour!) He said these things cover my overhead. My collection numbers are close to $800,000 in last 2 years. I think I pay for myself. Its really not the money as much as principle, $900 will not change my life. I just felt that it was kinda disappointing that after 4 years(2 without a raise) that they would be so cheap. It seems the more money they make(sp and wife own 2 clinics and are working on a 3rd) the worse and cheaper they get. I make a descent base salary and a 2% bonus on collections. should I be upset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHAD Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I was hoping to get some feedback on my situation. I have been working in occupational medicine with my sp for 4 years. Recently I was asked to appear for a deposition b/c a patient I saw is trying to sue his company. Now when my sp does depositions he gets paid directly, check made to him. So the office manager had the lawyer make the check for this one to me, $900 for 2 hours. My sp flipped out and demanded that I sign the check over to them b/c I'm on salary.(btw I don't make $450 an hour!) He said these things cover my overhead. My collection numbers are close to $800,000 in last 2 years. I think I pay for myself.Its really not the money as much as principle, $900 will not change my life. I just felt that it was kinda disappointing that after 4 years(2 without a raise) that they would be so cheap. It seems the more money they make(sp and wife own 2 clinics and are working on a 3rd) the worse and cheaper they get. I make a descent base salary and a 2% bonus on collections. should I be upset? That is ridiculous in my opinion...what a freaking tightwad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted October 20, 2010 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2010 No way would I hand that over. He is your SP for practicing medicine - doing a depo is not medicine..... related but not medicine. Tell him to politely pound sand (but you do have to take PTO or some other way to come off his payroll when you actually go.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 No way would I hand that over. He is your SP for practicing medicine - doing a depo is not medicine..... related but not medicine. Tell him to politely pound sand (but you do have to take PTO or some other way to come off his payroll when you actually go.) This brings up an interesting point... If you're being deposed on company time for a company related issue then certainly you should be paid for it but the acceptance of the fee paid by the lawyer may get somewhat less clear. Is the deposition a service that your company regularly provides? If this is off-company time and the lawyer came right to you and didn't involve your SP or the company at all then that fee is all yours! In any event, should this senario pop up on a regular basis then it is worth putting into your next contract... That way everyone is clear on how those fees are paid and to whom... Good Luck! By the way: I am not a lawyer and the above should not be considered valid legal advice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana815 Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 I asked him about doing it on my own time and he still wouldn't agree fully. He said I would have no deposition if I didn't work here so at most if it was after hours he would pay me my "call out" fee. We take care of many plants and companies so because they work round the clock so do we. I get $150 per call, which believe me at 2:00am, I really could care less about the $150! So even if I did this on my own time, the clinic still pockets $750 for doing basically nothing. I am in the process of researching numbers to renegotiate my very informal contract. I was stupid enough to trust them and think that with hard work and loyalty they would somehow notice and reward me. no shot. My last raise was July 2008. They try to poor mouth that they're struggling and they make very little profit. Yet since I've been with them they've opened a second clinic with a NP, and they are building a third(now I'm just venting!) I was reading another post by a PA working for a family owned practice and she was right on the money. Its hard to get them to see anything but $$$$, b/c every dime they can skim from me goes into their pockets. Anyway, can anyone give me a standard production bonus structure? I'm getting 2% of my collections right now which seems kinda low. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 If it's on your off hours then tell him to take a hike. If it's on office hrs they have an argument but not for the whole sum. The idea that you wouldn't be doing the depo if you didn't work for them is such a reach it is embarassing. If this episode is emblematic of the way they value you as a clinician, you should walk +/- make sure they know that you would not recommend this job to other PAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marilynpac Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 You did sign a contract and believe it or not that time out of the office, after hours can be considered call out time. This type of attitude/behavior is quit common for private practitioners, they are trying to run a small business and make a profit. In this case a huge profit b/c of opening up a new practice, it's very expensive. When you reneg your contract don't be surprised is they are less than....open minded about any suggestions you might have about getting any increase in salary/money. The reason is it's worked twice b/f...no raise in two yrs. I would start brushing off my resume and maybe look into hospitals that own their own occ med. The hospital tends to stay on the straight and narrow vs private practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marilynpac Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 If you follow PAMACs advice....you really will have to dust off that resume.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marilynpac Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 You're right it is cool advice. I think she needs to look at other threads such as...my sp resents paying me. This doc just doesn't want to hand over the money that's earned. Hopefully Dana you're taking really good footnotes so when you reneg your contract you can tie up all the loose ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmac79 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 In response to a standard production bonus structure...I'm getting 5% of my collections quarterly, and a ortho PA friend of mine said that was an insult. I think he said he gets 40% of his collections after overhead is taken out, and the remaining 60% goes to his supervising physicians. I wish I could offer more insight, but I'm working my way through this whole process of trying to get paid what I'm worth to the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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