Administrator rev ronin Posted August 26, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 26, 2021 They're drunk drivers: they fail to control themselves, hurt other people, and often aren't the ones paying the highest price for their recklessly malicious behavior. We treat them all the same. We try to help them, just like we try and help their victims, because we are the healers, not the courts. But yeah, righteous anger? You betcha. It's the saints among us who can pity, rather than rage at, them. Most of us are just human. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 12 hours ago, rev ronin said: It's the saints among us who can pity, rather than rage at, them. Most of us are just human. That's the job, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmood Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I get frustrated. Then I get bored and sweaty and more annoyed because I'm so sweaty. But I'm taking care of people who have it, it's not some theoretical discussion anymore. I have found a silver lining. When they get sick enough a lot of them do cave and start asking about the vaccine. Not all of them, but a lot of them. And if they make it, they're usually a lot less feisty about the whole thing. And I've found they're so traumatized that many are willing to become vaccine-evangelists. The only way to get through to some people now is to get a mole in there, a trusted source with a change of heart. I saw a photo on the Social Media a while back of a patient's ICU room door, where the nurses were tallying how many people had gotten the vaccine because of his illness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediMike Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 10 hours ago, CAAdmission said: That's the job, unfortunately. That's blatantly false. The job is to treat them all the same, that's it. Full stop. There is absolutely no ethical standard that we pity individuals who choose to not get vaccinated and then suffer the consequences of that decision. Just as you're not required to pity those who show up with drug overdoses, MIs, fractures from drunk driving, lung CA from smoking etc. Pity and empathy is nice, but definitely not required. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediMike Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 hours ago, greenmood said: I get frustrated. Then I get bored and sweaty and more annoyed because I'm so sweaty. But I'm taking care of people who have it, it's not some theoretical discussion anymore. So sweaty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted August 27, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, MediMike said: Pity and empathy is nice, but definitely not required. What's the NNT for placebo? Around 3? I'd say that compassionate care is among the best tools in our collective toolbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I had Hepatitis B series 2 times, one for PA school and the second I was to submit immunity to a new employer. No antibodies showed up. That prompted the second series. I never could show immunity. The state health physician said not to worry, I would still have the antibodies. Whew, dodged a bullet there. Got my ivermectin and HCQ and fluvoxamine. Triggering you all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Compassion fatigue is real. Adrenal fatigue - not so much. The concept of continued compassion for flat-earthers is not a sustainable idea. The burn is real. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I get ticked just listening to them, and I'm not even seeing patients any longer. I guess recovery will take longer than I was anticipating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAAdmission Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 19 hours ago, MediMike said: Pity and empathy is nice, but definitely not required. If this is really your view, you're burned out. Toast. Take a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAdamsPAC Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 8/26/2021 at 2:47 PM, rev ronin said: They're drunk drivers: they fail to control themselves, hurt other people, and often aren't the ones paying the highest price for their recklessly malicious behavior. We treat them all the same. We try to help them, just like we try and help their victims, because we are the healers, not the courts. But yeah, righteous anger? You betcha. It's the saints among us who can pity, rather than rage at, them. Most of us are just human. Doctors Announce They Will No Longer Treat Car Accident Victims Who Didn't Wear Their Seat Belt | The Babylon Bee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 39 minutes ago, CAdamsPAC said: Doctors Announce They Will No Longer Treat Car Accident Victims Who Didn't Wear Their Seat Belt | The Babylon Bee Article is behind a paywall. Blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted August 30, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Cideous said: Article is behind a paywall. Blah. Really? Not for me. FWIW, 80-90% of the Babylon Bee's humor is in the headlines; you can generally safely ignore the text, except they often do close with a semi-related zinger in the last paragraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAdamsPAC Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, Cideous said: Article is behind a paywall. Blah. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluiz1997 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) I don't get mad. I just slightly smile and nod. Meanwhile my last day of work is less than 2 weeks away. Retirement from this game after 20 years feels good. Edited August 30, 2021 by bluiz1997 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAdamsPAC Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 49 minutes ago, bluiz1997 said: I don't get mad. I just slightly smile and nod. Meanwhile my last day of work in less than 2 weeks away. Retirement from this game after 20 years feels good. Like banging your head on the wall, because it feels so good when you stop! Enjoy your new life you have earned it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluiz1997 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, CAdamsPAC said: Like banging your head on the wall, because it feels so good when you stop! Enjoy your new life you have earned it. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinntsp Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I had a recent patient that was admitted for COVID and respiratory failure and the conversation went like this... Patient: So let me ask you...now that I have COVID, I will have antibodies right? Me: *Wondering where this is going* Uh huh... Patient: So when I leave, can I have a note saying that? Me: A note for work that says you had COVID and when you can safely return? Patient: No, just a note that says I had COVID and now I have antibodies Me: Um...what is this note for? Patient: I am going on a cruise soon and they are requiring vaccination Me: *Stares at patient in silence* Patient: I'm not going to get vaccinated Me: *Stares at patient in silence* Me: Ok, see ya tomorrow. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Lately I get at least 2 messages a day that say something like "I went to the UC and they said I have COVID. They gave me a Zpack. What else should I do?" or my other favorite "will you prescribe Ivermectin?" Not unless you need worming.... In the "I'm pretty sure you are stupid" category... "my doctor said I need a Zpack for my COVID. Will you call it in?" Unless your doctor has a PhD in Philosophy he/she can call it in themselves. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiovolffemtp Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 That's alright, just call the Zpack for their URI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photograph51 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 8:24 PM, CAdamsPAC said: Doctors Announce They Will No Longer Treat Car Accident Victims Who Didn't Wear Their Seat Belt | The Babylon Bee When medical staff treat car accident victims, performing the care in no way puts any of the medical staff at any higher risk of getting into car accidents themselves. Treating COVID patients puts healthcare workers at risk of getting COVID. Even if we are vaccinated, we could get a breakthrough infection. How is this difference not obvious to everyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcclane Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Photograph51 said: How is this difference not obvious to everyone? It's obvious to everyone, but a third-ish of the country just really doesn't give a shit and / or owning the "libs" is just more important to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check 2 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I ask my patients if they care about their grandkids or nieces and nephews. They don't. It's all about "control", "being forced" - COVID is a hoax. So, folks are all me, me, me these days. Screw the other guy and, I guess, screw my kids and grandkids. No sense of community or personal responsibility. Hopefully Darwinism will help wash out the jerks. Best I can do this morning - rough start, unmasked patients in the building and hospital overflowing, kids in ICUs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briannamaria Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 It is really crazy the way non-medical professionals in our population keep coming up with excuses to not get the vaccine. One thing I have learned though is the more you pressure those people, it seems the more repelled they become. I wonder why they trust us with some things, but then not others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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