Cideous Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 As our dumb ass national leadership fights over keeping the name "assistant', I am starting to reach out to NP programs in an effort to create an PA to NP bridge program. So why would NP's do this? Easy, by creating this bridge they would instantly add thousands of highly trained PA's who will now be called NP's into their field. Collect dues and move the field forward. Similar to a PA to DO scenario, we would do 12 months in the bridge program which at the end of 12 moths we would be awarded an NP with all the rights and privileges associated with the NP field. -Independent practice in 28 states vs 0 for PA's, directly reimbursed by multiple insurances vs PA's requiring supervision. On and On and On. For those old timers I like to compare us to "Beta" vs "VHS" video players. Beta was better in every way....yet VHS won and Beta died. Why? Arrogance to name and shit ass marketing. We are Beta. I am hopeful that VHS will take us on before we are all left unemployed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted December 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 29, 2020 have to say I am not against this would not even be considered for a STATE job that was NP, cause I am a PA at least 5:1 for local job market for NP:PA all seems like COVID related crap, but time will tell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik144 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 I am curious if the idea of PA-->NP Bridge programs would cause a fear response in Physicians. Which in order to combat they would try to push PA-->MD/DO programs (Real ones, not LECOM). It doesn't take a genius to realize that if PA-->NP bridge programs are even remotely non-irritating to accomplish than people will just do it and Physicians won't come back from that hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose66 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 But what is need it to do the PA-NP bridge, you need an RN license first, if you have one is ok, but if you don't have one is very time consuming an expensive ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted December 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 29, 2020 I’m not interested in a bridge for one reason. No more top notch PA training and it will be the final nail in the coffin about who is lesser trained at face value. some corrections as well: no national leader is arguing about the title change. They are all for it. There are state leaders and many rank and file PAs against it. Doing this diplomatically is much more likely to have success than doing it authoritarian style, dragging everyone kicking and screaming. also, we have have severed the physician supervision requirements and liability in 2 states now. that said, if the name change fails because of opposition, then yeah, I’ll take my RN license and walk. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo1 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 I'm not a big fan of the proposed name change to MCP, but agree that the profession needs a huge boost in marketing. Our education destroys what is provided by NP school, and we skim the surface. I understand the financial argument for a transition, but I think if a bridge program did occur, it would eventually result in an even greater proportion of midlevels/APPs/whatever we'd be called who are not ready for practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANESMCR Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) Honesty can’t even imagine this happening. Again, at that point-would seriously be considering a career change instead. Edited December 29, 2020 by ANESMCR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 13 hours ago, Cideous said: For those old timers I like to compare us to "Beta" vs "VHS" video players. Beta was better in every way....yet VHS won and Beta died. I picked Beta at the time. Who knew.... That said I'd be interested in hearing what their response is. They don't have any real reason to work with us politically because we would just be an anchor on their efforts. But to absorb us? That might get some traction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted December 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 29, 2020 I can see them allowing folks who are RN/PAs to do a bridge, but I doubt they would allow any non-RN PA to bridge to NP without getting an RN first. In the early days of the profession in CA they allowed RN/PAs to take a single class to bridge to FNP. A friend of mine did this to get rx privileges. He only used the NP until PAs got RX rights. I don't think PAs are going away. We are making slow progress, but we are in a much better place today than when I graduated from PA school 24 yrs ago. In 20 years I would hope that we are at the place the NPs are at today. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted December 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 29, 2020 bad training NP started 90+ yr old patient on levoxyl (with afib not on anticoag) for a tsh of 6 and normal T-4 (like dead middle of the road normal) low and behold a month later ends up in the hospital with issues - unlikely directly related to meds but they want to simplify the med management - easy stop taking the totally unneeded thyroid med..... geez and yet this NP is independent and I am not...... WTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 NP is not the hard part to get (it's cheap and requires minimal hours). It's the RN degree that would be a main barrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted December 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 29, 2020 yup and need that for RN same as the WHO guidelines for medical college both are not variable...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted December 29, 2020 Administrator Share Posted December 29, 2020 Nothing against nurses, but I'm not one and won't ever be one. I would rather hire a doc to supervise me and do concierge medicine with maximal freedom and minimal profit. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennelise Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Out of curiosity, what types of classes would a PA have to take in the hypothetical bridge program? Would it be classroom learning or clinical? just as a note—I’m not against this or for this. I’m just not sure how a PA “learns” to be a nurse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted December 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 29, 2020 50 minutes ago, jennelise said: Out of curiosity, what types of classes would a PA have to take in the hypothetical bridge program? Would it be classroom learning or clinical? just as a note—I’m not against this or for this. I’m just not sure how a PA “learns” to be a nurse. a crap load of irrelevant "nursing theory" junk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 7 hours ago, sas5814 said: I picked Beta at the time. Who knew.... That said I'd be interested in hearing what their response is. They don't have any real reason to work with us politically because we would just be an anchor on their efforts. But to absorb us? That might get some traction. Of course you did Scott...Beta was better....and yet it died. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 2 hours ago, jennelise said: Out of curiosity, what types of classes would a PA have to take in the hypothetical bridge program? Would it be classroom learning or clinical? just as a note—I’m not against this or for this. I’m just not sure how a PA “learns” to be a nurse. The bridge would include a condensed RN program which would also include an NP degree. Duo as it were and on the day you graduated you could practice independently in 28 F'ing states....just think about that for a minute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 5 hours ago, EMEDPA said: I don't think PAs are going away. We are making slow progress, but we are in a much better place today than when I graduated from PA school 24 yrs ago. In 20 years I would hope that we are at the place the NPs are at today. EMEDPA is a god like figure on these boards and he should be. I love reading his posts and have the absolute highest respect for him. But, I would respectfully disagree with this post. -PA's are going away...new grads are having a hell of a time finding jobs and that is the very definition of "going away". -Saying we are in a much better place then when you graduated school, while technically true....misses the point. We older PA's are in a better spot (we are licensed, have DEA's, don't need onsite supervision etc) is all true, but again misses the point of those that follow us and simply can NOT find a job. -In 20 years you hope that we are in the place NP's are in today? Brother, we will not exist in 20 years if NP's continue to steamroll us. PA's getting out with $100k in debt and no ability to find a job? That creates a "dead man walking" profession. I say all these things respectfully to EMEPA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted December 30, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 30, 2020 No offense taken my friend. I tend to be an optimist. Could go either way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 6 hours ago, Cideous said: The bridge would include a condensed RN program which would also include an NP degree. Duo as it were and on the day you graduated you could practice independently in 28 F'ing states....just think about that for a minute. Vanderbilt, Boston college have a 2 year combined RN/NP program for non-nurses. I looked into going that route before PA school but decided to stay in my home state instead. I hope this won't be the biggest regret of my career 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookie Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I have too much pride to bow towards a nursing degree after what I went through getting into PA schools and getting through the stresses in emergency medicine as a new PA graduate. I can't erase those memories or have them transferred easily into another profession for purposes of getting off a sinking ship. We're currently the high-yield, ugly step-sibling of physicians and the higher-ups know our value. I certainly wouldn't want to carry the same moniker under nurses. I have two very young children to support + wife + four aging parents but I'd try hard to find another way before I go down this route. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 For those who missed the announcement the Ohio PA society is joining forces with the NPs to eliminate supervision requirements. There has been a lot of discussion about something like this for years and I hope it works out well. The physicians have forever and a day lumped us all together despite our differences and protests to the contrary. I have always said if you are going to accuse me of something I might as well be guilty. I know there is a history of the nurses screwing us legislatively. Most of those events happened when we were working independently but towards the same goal. This time they are actively collaborating as a single unit. I am cautiously optimistic and hope it will create a precedent where we can use our combined political powers to advance our profession. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surgblumm Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 With all the hate rhetoric placed aside, it is astoundingly and profoundly true that the NP is the most accepted APC in the land and has all of the venues that PAs have been searching for. I think Cideous is correct in his aspirations and I do not believe in dedication to a moniker as much as I do, the opportunity to render healthcare with reimbursement and unimpeded freedom. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) MA latest state to pass FPA for NPs. Nothing for PAs Edited January 4, 2021 by iconic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kang1208 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I too have that pride that I would never go into nursing to become an NP...but after many states declared FPA for NPs, I likely have to swallow my pride and jump ship. Unfortunately my pride just can’t pay bills and provide the needs for me and my family in the future once PA jobs are all replaced by NPs.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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