National Guard Special Forces PA

[ChristianPrePA 2]

Anyone currently in or interested in serving within the National Guard as a PA, specifically Special Forces? (20th or 19th regiment)

I'm a non-military college student looking to enter the National Guard after graduation and enter special forces. Any tips or feedback?

[dphy83 74]

You want to be a PA, enlisted, or an 18A in SF?

[BLM8867 45]

You're best bet is to take this question to the professional soldiers fourm: http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/.

I highly suggest you look up as much information on your own before asking any questions. SF guys have little tolerance addressing questions that can easily be answered by a little bit of research.

Here are my 2cents: Pick one path and pursue it. PA and being SF are 2 different things. You can do both, but not at the same time.  It's not uncommon for SF 18Ds to go to PA school after they get out of AD or NG. Haven't really heard of PAs going through the SF pipeline after all of their training but i'm not doubting they're out there. Also take into consideration the NG route. The pipeline is a littler more stringent for these guys because of funding (state vs federal). Typically the states that send candidates to SFAS will only send candidates that they know FOR SURE will get selected and complete the Q course. This typically means multiple mini-selections with the the NG SFG.

Do your research. good luck.

Edited December 15, 2020 by BLM8867

[TheFatMan 407]

In my experience, I would say a PA or doc who was assigned to a SF unit most likely would not be doing any of the high speed stuff the rest of the guys do. You'd most likely be working for headquarters and running sick call while your medics are out playing in the field. You'd probably help with training and such. On deployment I imagine it would be the same, with you probably managing the BAS and handling casualties as they come in rather than being on the front lines. 

If you want to do high speed stuff and also do medical stuff, I'd recommend Army 18D or Navy SARC, then transition to PA. I know in the Navy if you are a SARC or an IDC, that waives about half of the requirements for IPAP.

[Guest Matthewtanner]

It’s competitive, especially with no military experience.  If you want to chat about it email me. Matthew.a.tanner1@gmail.com

[PK808 6]

Contact an SF recruiter if you're really serious, its their job. Just an FYI, you won't be a PA in the Army if you want to be SF. If you want to be a shooter on the teams and practice medicine than tryout and become an18D. If you want to be a PA in the Army you can be but just realize that PAs work through AMEDD in support of SF and are not members of SF.

Use this site below for reference and information on how to become SF in the NG. Good luck. 

http://specialforcesrecruiter.com/

[ChristianPrePA 2]

On 12/14/2020 at 9:21 AM, dphy83 said:

You want to be a PA, enlisted, or an 18A in SF?

PA

[ChristianPrePA 2]

On 1/7/2021 at 8:57 PM, PK808 said:

Contact an SF recruiter if you're really serious, its their job. Just an FYI, you won't be a PA in the Army if you want to be SF. If you want to be a shooter on the teams and practice medicine than tryout and become an18D. If you want to be a PA in the Army you can be but just realize that PAs work through AMEDD in support of SF and are not members of SF.

Use this site below for reference and information on how to become SF in the NG. Good luck. 

http://specialforcesrecruiter.com/

This is what I've heard, but have also had some conflicting information regarding this. Not seeking active duty, that's why I'm going the National Guard route as I plan to have a civilian career as well as a PA.

Thanks for the information.

[dphy83 74]

SF has preference for PAs that are former SF. That info is even mentioned in some military memo. You may be able to find it if you Google. National Guard may be different?

[ChristianPrePA 2]

57 minutes ago, dphy83 said:

SF has preference for PAs that are former SF. That info is even mentioned in some military memo. You may be able to find it if you Google. National Guard may be different?

My research has been primarily NG so not sure. I'd assume they prefer former SF, not direct commissions. I plan to work a few years as a PA and garner some experience in EMed so I have that experience. My understanding is as a NG PA I could lead a SF unit, but wouldn't be a part of SF technically. I'm okay with that, I just want to be as much as a part of the "forefront" of medicine/emergencies as possible, specifically in response to national disasters/humanitarian aid (I understand these assignments may be rare). I feel there's a lot of conflicting info out there, and would like to know the best route from here. I don't think a SF recruiter would be interested in a Pre-PA, so don't want to waste their time at this moment. As far as regular Army recruiters go, I know they just will say what they can to get me to join ASAP as a 68W (trust me, been there).

I think my best option would be an AMEDD recruiter, does this sound like a good idea? Would they know about direct commission PA and SF NG (19th/20th)?

[dphy83 74]

Hopefully someone with first hand experience comes along and clarifies, but I think the process would be two-fold: you definitely need to talk to AMEDD because you want to be a PA, but you would also need to contact SF to see if they have any PA slots at the NG units you are interested in. I would imagine PA in NG SF would be competitive, and they may even want you to be a Captain or have experience in a regular unit prior?

 

But you don't have to be SF to be at the forefront. You'd have just as much, if not more, impact staffing a big field hospital in a combat zone.

But if SF is your goal I'd make it a long term plan. Honestly I'd try to do the trauma fellowship at Intermountain Med Center. That would be great experience an applicable for your combat aspirations. 

[ChristianPrePA 2]

5 minutes ago, dphy83 said:

Hopefully someone with first hand experience comes along and clarifies, but I think the process would be two-fold: you definitely need to talk to AMEDD because you want to be a PA, but you would also need to contact SF to see if they have any PA slots at the NG units you are interested in. I would imagine PA in NG SF would be competitive, and they may even want you to be a Captain or have experience in a regular unit prior?

 

But you don't have to be SF to be at the forefront. You'd have just as much, if not more, impact staffing a big field hospital in a combat zone.

But if SF is your goal I'd make it a long term plan. Honestly I'd try to do the trauma fellowship at Intermountain Med Center. That would be great experience an applicable for your combat aspirations. 

My planned route right now would be experience in family medicine/emergency medicine immediately post-grad (1-2 years experience - staying in contact with AMEDD recruiter), then apply for NG and gain some military medicine experience (and focus on my fitness, leadership and practitioner skills - be in contact with SF recruiter). Then, hopefully apply for a SF position.

I know it's not an easy path, I also know I'm incredibly naïve right now as a Pre-PA, but I'm willing to turn it into a long-term goal and work for it.

Thanks for the information, greatly appreciate it!

[ohiovolffemtp 697]

This wouldn't be in the military, but if you want to do disaster and humanitarian missions, you could consider joining a D-MAT team.

[EMEDPA 7,701]

2 hours ago, ohiovolffemtp said:

This wouldn't be in the military, but if you want to do disaster and humanitarian missions, you could consider joining a D-MAT team.

Also civilian NGOs like NYCMedics, Globalhealthteam, etc

[JDB91 18]

 

read this is you want info on individual role for PAs in SOF.  In general, you won't get a seat at the SF table unless you were prior 18 series. 

 

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Prerequisites for 65D assignments within an SFG is experience at the ODA level as a former MOS 18-series (the SOF occupational specialty), having been awarded the Special Forces tab, and completing at least one assignment as a battalion or brigade PA. The flight surgeon course is required prior to assignment; opportunity to complete the dive medical officer course is offered later, as the mission allows. The SFG PA’s role in Special Forces is primarily as mentor and trainer for the 18D Special Forces medic and operational advisor to the battalion surgeon and command staff. 

 

Edited March 27 by JDB91

[ChristianPrePA 2]

On 3/26/2021 at 10:22 PM, JDB91 said:

 

read this is you want info on individual role for PAs in SOF.  In general, you won't get a seat at the SF table unless you were prior 18 series. 

 

 

Appreciate that. I've actually been referencing the same document and haven't noticed that part. The document is a few years old, but I assume even if prior 18 series isn't required, it's highly preferred. I will get into contact with an AMEDD recruiter when I'm ready to join, thanks for the reply.

[TheOriginals22 3]

Prior SOF experience isn't required to be a PA in one of the Special Forces groups.  It is very common for most of those positions to be filled by former 18 series guys that then went on to PA school, however, it is not disqualifying if you didn't earn your tab and beret before switching career fields. 

I will say, being a PA in group may not fulfill the medical fantasy that you have in your head.  You might have some deployments that require you to operate independently and with little support where you get to practice medicine.  You might not.  You will not be "in charge" of the 18Ds.  Getting them all in one room at the same time is nearly impossible.  If you are a solid PA and have beneficial medical training that you can provide, you will find an audience with some of the medics (notice I said some). 

Since you are looking at going to the National Guard I can't speak to the opportunities that they have for PAs.  On the active side there are other SOF jobs that allow you to practice medicine and lead as a PA that are more fulfilling, in my opinion, than being a PA in one of the SF groups.

 

Good luck