martinitosnl Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) Hi guys, I’m excited about the MCP proposition. In the event that it doesn’t work out it’s not a bad idea to have a backup. Years ago I didn’t think it would come to this but I would literally take an NP degree now if I could go back. What is the fastest way to earn the NP degree? Or maybe at least a fully online RN degree? I am in TX, so far here all things are equal, PAs are actually looked more favorably by most vs NPs but we all know that can quickly change with legislation. I am in my mid 30s, closing in on a decade of exp, but I still have some time in front of me. My wife is doing an NP degree and we joke about her opening a new practice one day and it is now, not so far fetched. Anyways, her NP education does not hide the fact they want to be fully independent. In fact, they promote it a lot. And her online classes so far seem just mostly fillers. So I wouldn’t mind doing something similar if it will fulfill me professionally etc, if it’s just busy work, just don’t want to take many years to do it. It’s actually pretty sad we as a profession actually entertain these thoughts. It tells you things have gotten pretty bad. I can just imagine other colleagues in other states. might wanna retire or semi retire by 50 if things go downhill. Edited November 24, 2020 by martinitosnl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 If you have the time and the money I would do it, absolutely. It can only help you in the future and you are still young. I am in my 50's now so it's a non-starter for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 The biggest hurdle I see is getting the RN degree as that has a large clinical component. For all the talk about DO/MD bridge, what we really need are NP bridges 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediMike Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, iconic said: The biggest hurdle I see is getting the RN degree as that has a large clinical component. For all the talk about DO/MD bridge, what we really need are NP bridges Yeah I don't see myself doing a med/surg nursing rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted November 24, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2020 Excelsior college has a fully online accredited RN program for health providers such as LPNs, EMTs, medics, (PAs), etc I know lots of folks who have done it. Not every state recognizes it, but once you get a license in one states, other states will accept that license via reciprocity. https://www.excelsior.edu/admissions/requirements/nursing-requirements/associate-in-nursing-requirements/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinitosnl Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Thank you EMEDPA something like that would be an option. If anyone knows of other programs similar please post them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Such a damn shame it is coming to this shite..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapLustrum Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) Well this is depressing. Keep trying to explain to everyone in AAPA you can that we won't be treated like Practitioners until we call ourselves Practitioners. We have until May. We can do it. Those on the fence can be convinced. Logic can win. Edited November 24, 2020 by GapLustrum 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, EMEDPA said: Excelsior college has a fully online accredited RN program for health providers such as LPNs, EMTs, medics, (PAs), etc I know lots of folks who have done it. Not every state recognizes it, but once you get a license in one states, other states will accept that license via reciprocity. https://www.excelsior.edu/admissions/requirements/nursing-requirements/associate-in-nursing-requirements/ This is good info. Apparently they are withdrawing from ACEN accreditation which may make it even more difficult to gain RN license. Also the tuition is $500 per credit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasuo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Man seeing these recent events and comments about our profession is furthering my interest to go back to medical school.. May as well do it while I’m in my 20s. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Yasuo said: Man seeing these recent events and comments about our profession is furthering my interest to go back to medical school.. May as well do it while I’m in my 20s. I think if you are interested in a high paying specialty, it may very well be worth it. For primary care, hail nah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted November 24, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, iconic said: I think if you are interested in a high paying specialty, it may very well be worth it. For primary care, hail nah family med docs who do some procedures like treadmills, derm stuff, etc in their offices can easily make bank. you can also be a hospitalist, do low risk ob including c-sections, and rural em as a family med doc. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasuo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, iconic said: I think if you are interested in a high paying specialty, it may very well be worth it. For primary care, hail nah Hahaha I'm thinking I'll most likely go into Internal or Emergency medicine, but we'll see what happens. I'll be open to other specialties Edited November 25, 2020 by Yasuo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted November 24, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Yasuo said: Hahaha I'm thinking I'll most likely go into Internal or Emergency medicine, but we'll see what happens. I'm open to other specialties I would do dual EM/FP it was me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasuo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, EMEDPA said: I would do dual EM/FP it was me. Woah that's possible?! I thought they were two different residencies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted November 24, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, EMEDPA said: I would do dual EM/FP it was me. With a OB fellowship to really be comfortable with C-sections. You’re the whole package then 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted November 24, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Yasuo said: Woah that's possible?! I thought they were two different residencies! There are lots of combined residencies. you generally save a yr vs doing both. EM/FP and EM/IM are five years. EM/IM/Critical care is 6 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc56 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Excelsior I think requires up to date sciences. Some of us who have been a PA for a while would have to redo those (time and money), then do the program (again time and money), then try to get into an NP program (more time and money). I say try because you might get discriminated against by already being a PA. I am hoping that I won't see the end of the line for my career before I want to retire. I too have had thoughts of trying to get my NP, out of fear of being left behind sooner-than-later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted November 24, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2020 If you can not work for a yr you can also do an accelerated 2nd degree BSN in 15 months or so then go straight into NP, so basically 3 yrs with 2 of it online. If I do 3 more years of school I will end up a physician, not an NP... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatMan Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Man...this forum has gotten a little bit..ahem...depressing. There are some 3-year medical schools aimed at caring for rural populations as well. Medical College of Wisconsin comes to mind. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinitosnl Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) It's honestly the leadership. It's common sense that if your competitors (NPs) keep advancing (with lower standards, etc) you need to get on the ball. I kinda envisioned this since I was in school, leadership must have been in some sort of denial for so many years. I know that they are now waking up, but jeez they could have gotten so much done previously. We are like 15-20 years behind probably. It is real shame. I might as well just do a MD degree at this point (I have all the pre req w/ a cum laude degree, just never took the MCAT). Only problem is I would lose so much $$ by being out 3-4 yrs plus the difference in $ in residency plus loans. Easily over a mil if you run the numbers Edited November 25, 2020 by martinitosnl 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 11/25/2020 at 10:12 AM, martinitosnl said: It's honestly the leadership. It's common sense that if your competitors (NPs) keep advancing (with lower standards, etc) you need to get on the ball. I kinda envisioned this since I was in school, leadership must have been in some sort of denial for so many years. I know that they are now waking up, but jeez they could have gotten so much done previously. We are like 15-20 years behind probably. It is real shame. I might as well just do a MD degree at this point (I have all the pre req w/ a cum laude degree, just never took the MCAT). Only problem is I would lose so much $$ by being out 3-4 yrs plus the difference in $ in residency plus loans. Easily over a mil if you run the numbers To that point, the leadership has drastically changed the past 5 years so I'm sticking around... If I were to go "back to school" it would be a DO bridge but I'm too old now so I'm here for another 15 to 20 then I'm out. I'll do what I can to promote the profession meanwhile. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wktk222 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Seriously, wake up people. PA to NP bridge? at the shortest it’ll be 2-3 years, and you get out to do exactly the same thing. At that point, I’d rather go to med school Edited November 28, 2020 by wktk222 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANESMCR Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 If it came down to a point necessitating a bridge to NP degree I’d rather exit medicine entirely. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac30 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, ANESMCR said: If it came down to a point necessitating a bridge to NP degree I’d rather exit medicine entirely. Was gonna say the same thing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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