dwm5157 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Can a recent grad, fully licensed (Pennsylvania), but unemployed perform and sign off on a physical exam...or is a written agreement required to do so? I don't want to get myself or anyone else in hot water! Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted October 28, 2020 Administrator Share Posted October 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, dwm5157 said: Can a recent grad, fully licensed (Pennsylvania), but unemployed perform and sign off on a physical exam...or is a written agreement required to do so? I don't want to get myself or anyone else in hot water! Not a PA PA (ha ha) but I'm pretty sure you need some sort of a collaborative agreement. Now, on top of that it'd be a REALLY GOOD IDEA to have malpractice insurance, etc. In other words, based on what you posit here, I can't see how this would be a remotely good idea, even on the off chance it was legal. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, rev ronin said: Not a PA PA (ha ha) but I'm pretty sure you need some sort of a collaborative agreement. Now, on top of that it'd be a REALLY GOOD IDEA to have malpractice insurance, etc. In other words, based on what you posit here, I can't see how this would be a remotely good idea, even on the off chance it was legal. This! Don't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANESMCR Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Agree with the above. That would be a remarkably poor decision on your part. Especially if you’re looking to end your PA career before you even start it. Doesn’t matter how well you know this person, how healthy they may be, you will be liable without malpractice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwm5157 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Thanks everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Why would you think that you would be able to perform the exam legally? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkertdm Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 It's a good idea to read your states pa practice act, and not rely on word of mouth. There's lots of tidbits in there. What you are describing is called "independence" and you aren't. I could go into this all day long on various ways you can get sued, but the long and short of it is that you need to work alongside a physician. In many states a np could do exactly what you are describing without any sort of the beaurocratic baloney we "need". Once you get a job, join your state society so you can help move toward independence. In fact, my own in laws will ask "how about..." And I stop them. Because a. I don't treat family members, and b. I don't show up at their work and ask for a shelf or tv for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicinePower Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Don't even think about practicing medicine without a collaborating physician and checking every legal box necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgriffiths Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 12 hours ago, ANESMCR said: That would be a remarkably poor decision on your part. Especially if you’re looking to end your PA career before you even start it. I mean...if they are trying to end their career before it starts then this would actually be a wonderful decision...but OP don't do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kittryn Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) In MA you cannot perform a physical exam (ie practice medicine) without having a supervising physician. You'd be putting your license at risk to do so. Under what scenario are you being asked (or offering) to do this?? It sounds a little strange.... Edited October 29, 2020 by kittryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surgblumm Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Obviously, I have to chime in and say that you could possibly have the shortest PA career in existence. It's kind of like 'Offsides" in a football game, you are trying to utilize your skills prematurely, and this is a felony in PA. You need a physician and a malpractice company. Even hospital PAs are liable if they work for an entity and as a clinician they are not in a relationship with said hospital. As mentioned, It is Independent Practice and you may have to wait more than five to ten years before that is accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlottew Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I have in the past filled out camp health forms for my kids and signed them as a medical practitioner who examined them (only when the form does not specify that it has to be Their Pediatrician). Because I would not sue myself (or the camp) for an incorrect finding (not that there would be one). But other than that, I wouldn't venture to practice outside of my job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surgblumm Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Honest comment Charlotte which many of us have done but I appreciate your last sentence; But other than that, I wouldn't venture to practice outside of my job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KpsPac Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 As a PA, we are not allowed to do anything without the almighty CP. One cannot even take a temperature. Wish I were kidding. I think so many nuances of PA practices are not taught in school, but it seems to be getting worse. Anyone else think this? THIS is why we need to be untied from the physicians. Why do others not see this? (not on here, but elsewhere.......) kps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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