Moderator ventana 3,306 Posted May 23, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2020 Two part question. 1) most affordable DMSc 2) quickest DMSc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iconic 61 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) Lynchburg can be completed in 4 semesters (12 months), 25k Rocky Mountain - can also be completed in 4 semesters(16 months) 27k. Might be able to transfer some coursework to make it cheaper. AT Still - 18k, not sure how long They have somewhat different curriculums and track options, so I’d look at that too Edited May 23, 2020 by iconic 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turtlesrule 13 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) Butler is another option. Can take the decompressed route or accelerate at your own pace and be done in 18 months. Start anytime no cohort pacing. Depends on your end goal. Edited May 23, 2020 by turtlesrule Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator ventana 3,306 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2020 What about university of Nebraska? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iconic 61 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, ventana said: What about university of Nebraska? I couldn’t find any information about them. I’m not even sure they have a DMSc degree Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC 2,426 Posted May 25, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 25, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 4:22 PM, iconic said: Lynchburg can be completed in 4 semesters (12 months), 25k Rocky Mountain - can also be completed in 4 semesters(16 months) 27k. Might be able to transfer some coursework to make it cheaper. AT Still - 18k, not sure how long They have somewhat different curriculums and track options, so I’d look at that too Answer to both questions The AT still website says 2-3 years. That doesn’t mean it can’t be quicker. With their “technology fee” it’s comes to $19k and change. By far the cheapest. the shortest is no doubt Lynchburg at 12 months. It is also 25k in tuition. I’m not sure about fees. Plug for my choice: Butler says 2 years standard and 5 year max, but it is self paced so it can be faster if you really load yourself down. I’ll be shooting for one year, but 50 credits in 3 semesters while working full time will be a real challenge. butler also has an option for 15 percent discount if you precept students (4 per year) making it $29,750. There are no fees. They had a mostly clinical curriculum with just the right amount of admin classes for me. i cannot find anything about UNMC having a program. currently unknown is anything about the new program at Rocky Mountain College. Supposedly to start 1/2021, but no information other than some news articles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KpsPac 55 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 The AT Still University DMSc program can be 2 or 3 years with three different tracks, Clinical (you create your own curriculum), Education, and Leadership. Tuition is 18k total. I am part of the first cohort. kps 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MediMike 827 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 17 hours ago, KpsPac said: The AT Still University DMSc program can be 2 or 3 years with three different tracks, Clinical (you create your own curriculum), Education, and Leadership. Tuition is 18k total. I am part of the first cohort. kps Which track are you pursuing? I've had their website opened on a browser tab for weeks now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CSCH 138 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 My impression has been that Butler and LMU are the only two that include a primarily clinical track (courses that are taught in each body system). AT Still’s website doesn’t make their clinical track very clear. Can anyone clarify? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brandonhughey 87 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 As of now I'm planning to start at RMU DMSc January 2021 (Healthcare Leadership and Administration concentration). I was informed by the program director that I'll likely be able to transfer 12 credits from my MHA courses into the program, leaving 24 credits left. And, if you have completed or are currently completing a postgraduate fellowship, you get a 15% discount off of tuition. Same if you are teaching. The total cost left for me will be $15k and will take 16 months to complete. Lynchburg unfortunately does not accept transfer credit unless it is from a previous doctorate or PhD so that kind of ruled Lynchburg out for me. With Butler, 50 credits for a postgraduate doctorate just seems like too many. PAs already have 100+ credit hours from their master's programs. Requiring another 50 would make it 150 credit hours for a doctorate... yikes. And the program costs $35k... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MedicinePower 181 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 We should make a spreadsheet of the DMSc programs, cost, and credits required. I guess we can also include the MCPHS DScPAS degree which is just a weird name but whatever. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator EMEDPA 7,544 Posted June 17, 2020 Moderator Share Posted June 17, 2020 11 hours ago, MedicinePower said: We should make a spreadsheet of the DMSc programs, cost, and credits required. I guess we can also include the MCPHS DScPAS degree which is just a weird name but whatever. Don't forget the DHSc and DrPH options out there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lemurcatta 131 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 8 hours ago, EMEDPA said: Don't forget the DHSc and DrPH options out there. Hey EMED, do you know of any DrPH programs that would take someone without an MPH? I have an MS in biology and my PA master's degree, but no MPH. I would rather go the DrPH route than the DMS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator EMEDPA 7,544 Posted June 18, 2020 Moderator Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 hours ago, lemurcatta said: Hey EMED, do you know of any DrPH programs that would take someone without an MPH? I have an MS in biology and my PA master's degree, but no MPH. I would rather go the DrPH route than the DMS. check Boston University. I believe they will take you without the MPH, but you may have to do a bit of extra coursework. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iconic 61 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) I actually made a table not too long ago PA Doctorates.xlsx Edited June 22, 2020 by iconic 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rpackelly 265 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) Nice table. NSU also has student fees of $405 per term in addition to the $671 per credit hour tuition. When I was the PD students typically took between 2.5 years and 4 years to finish. Average was a little under 3. There were, and still are as far as I know, 4 terms per year with two required residential institutes of 3-5 days apiece, so travel costs are extra. The program is interdisciplinary, so not all PAs, and, of course, many PAs now are going DMSc, choosing the briefer degree because of the large number of masters credits PAs typically have. Edited June 22, 2020 by rpackelly Meow info 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC 2,426 Posted June 22, 2020 Moderator Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 5/29/2020 at 5:46 PM, brandonhughey said: As of now I'm planning to start at RMU DMSc January 2021 (Healthcare Leadership and Administration concentration). I was informed by the program director that I'll likely be able to transfer 12 credits from my MHA courses into the program, leaving 24 credits left. And, if you have completed or are currently completing a postgraduate fellowship, you get a 15% discount off of tuition. Same if you are teaching. The total cost left for me will be $15k and will take 16 months to complete. Lynchburg unfortunately does not accept transfer credit unless it is from a previous doctorate or PhD so that kind of ruled Lynchburg out for me. With Butler, 50 credits for a postgraduate doctorate just seems like too many. PAs already have 100+ credit hours from their master's programs. Requiring another 50 would make it 150 credit hours for a doctorate... yikes. And the program costs $35k... The RMU program does look very good and I like the diversity of there concentrations. As for the length of butler, it is a primarily clinical program. And what is the number one thing MDs say about PA school? That we just gloss over the things. So in a way I'm avoiding a future argument by actually having more class work. As for the $35k, that's what you pay for private school tuition and agree, it's a lot. For me though, it's the best option for what I want out of a degree, allowing me to work, and GI bill is paying for it. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brandonhughey 87 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 4:27 PM, LT_Oneal_PAC said: The RMU program does look very good and I like the diversity of there concentrations. As for the length of butler, it is a primarily clinical program. And what is the number one thing MDs say about PA school? That we just gloss over the things. So in a way I'm avoiding a future argument by actually having more class work. As for the $35k, that's what you pay for private school tuition and agree, it's a lot. For me though, it's the best option for what I want out of a degree, allowing me to work, and GI bill is paying for it. Those are great reasons. I can see the benefit of those courses. An extra 50 credits of medicine/science would look very impressive, and would make us look even better compared to DNP curriculum. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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