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I didn’t think this belonged in the school page and was more appropriate for the doctorate area. 
 

I’ll be starting Butler University DMS soon. Was wondering if we had any fellow users that had started or will be starting soon. 
 

I’m also accepting words of encouragement because I’ve signed up for double the full time course load to get this all in before my GI bill runs out.

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2 doctoral courses at once while working full time is a serious load. It is doable, but challenging. Time management is critical. keep up with reading and outline assignments and create benchmarks( I will have the outline written by friday, I will have 5 pages done by the next tuesday, etc). You've got this. 

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On 5/12/2020 at 10:50 AM, EMEDPA said:

2 doctoral courses at once while working full time is a serious load. It is doable, but challenging. Time management is critical. keep up with reading and outline assignments and create benchmarks( I will have the outline written by friday, I will have 5 pages done by the next tuesday, etc). You've got this. 

I wish it was two courses! I've signed up for double the full time course load. I almost signed up for 6 classes, but pulled back to 5.  It's going to be a busy fall. Fortunately it's broken into 2 sessions, so it will be faster paced but I won't be splitting my attention as much. 

I put Biochem with pulmonology, which I know the latter pretty well from my anesthesia days. I put rheum, probably my worst subject because I think it's all voodoo, with cardiology that I also know pretty well along with Aging, which I hope is a relatively easier course.

We'll see the difficulty after this semester and I'll start a blog post here about it. 

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I wish it was two courses! I've signed up for double the full time course load. I almost signed up for 6 classes, but pulled back to 5.  It's going to be a busy fall. Fortunately it's broken into 2 sessions, so it will be faster paced but I won't be splitting my attention as much. 
I put Biochem with pulmonology, which I know the latter pretty well from my anesthesia days. I put rheum, probably my worst subject because I think it's all voodoo, with cardiology that I also know pretty well along with Aging, which I hope is a relatively easier course.
We'll see the difficulty after this semester and I'll start a blog post here about it. 
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Nice! We will have a couple classes together.


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2 hours ago, MCrun2 said:

What purpose does the DMS serve?  What will you be able to do with this in the future?

Degree demonstrating clinical knowledge, pursues admin positions competitively against others with doctorate degrees, academia, add another bullet point for why I deserve a salary increase, increase the competitiveness of my application if I ever change jobs, meet the current degree standard for health care (pharmacy, DNP, DPT, OT, optometry, audiology, and more all have doctorates) future proofing.

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Wondering if you had a feedback so far? Seems you are a few weeks/months into fall semester. Been tossing the idea around myself DSC/PhD.

At your pace of 5 modules per semester, 17 modules total would still take 4 semesters? Will your semesters going forward have 4 modules per? 4 semesters total is just over one year duration?

Thanks for any feedback.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, bovineplane said:

Wondering if you had a feedback so far? Seems you are a few weeks/months into fall semester. Been tossing the idea around myself DSC/PhD.

At your pace of 5 modules per semester, 17 modules total would still take 4 semesters? Will your semesters going forward have 4 modules per? 4 semesters total is just over one year duration?

Thanks for any feedback.

 

 

I’m not the OP, but I’ve been doing 4 classes per semester since January and it’s very manageable. The medicine classes are much more engaging and fun than the more “public health” type classes, but I felt the same way in PA school as well. 
 

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Sorry I’ve missed the calls for updates.

a little more than halfway through first semester. They break up the semester in 6 week intervals. I took 3 (pulm, rheum, aging) the first half and 2 (cards and biochemistry) in the second. I like this. You are doing more for a class at a time, but I don’t have to split my attention as much. I liking the ability to front load my classes and it be brutal for 6 weeks, then I take fewer on the back end for a breather.

i do find they make it very flexible. They give you all your assignments at the beginning of the week, typically, and then you can do at as you please throughout the week. A few will have a discussion due in the middle of the week to have time for others to respond. Teachers are pretty accommodating and very accessible. I feel they are pretty committed to your success.

they primarily cover topics on the PANRE blueprint, so it’s primary care oriented. It covers some zebras, but nothing crazy so far. It does seem to be more depth PA school. Pulm and cards have been super easy for me, but rheum was very enlightening and either retaught a lot I had forgotten or never knew. It’s not adding a lot to my practice as an EM specialist, but think it will help the Hospitalist side of my job.

biochem is destroying me. I really don’t remember much of anything outside of practical pharmacology (ester and amide anesthetics and their pka for example), so learning about aldehydes and all the other functional groups, and tons more I don’t have the time to list, is rough. I’m hoping to just pass this course, which is not something I’ve hoped for since, we’ll, ever actually. I hear the worst class is law, which I can believe because that was my toughest class in PA school as well just because of all the legal double speak.

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Very flexible for those with odd or demanding schedules. Good faculty. Classes great for the generalist, maybe not the specialist, but their isn’t a program geared to specialties yet. I would consider it a clinically heavy program. Biochem will be tough if you are far removed from it like me.

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44 minutes ago, LT_Oneal_PAC said:

Sorry I’ve missed the calls for updates.

a little more than halfway through first semester. They break up the semester in 6 week intervals. I took 3 (pulm, rheum, aging) the first half and 2 (cards and biochemistry) in the second. I like this. You are doing more for a class at a time, but I don’t have to split my attention as much. I liking the ability to front load my classes and it be brutal for 6 weeks, then I take fewer on the back end for a breather.

i do find they make it very flexible. They give you all your assignments at the beginning of the week, typically, and then you can do at as you please throughout the week. A few will have a discussion due in the middle of the week to have time for others to respond. Teachers are pretty accommodating and very accessible. I feel they are pretty committed to your success.

they primarily cover topics on the PANRE blueprint, so it’s primary care oriented. It covers some zebras, but nothing crazy so far. It does seem to be more depth PA school. Pulm and cards have been super easy for me, but rheum was very enlightening and either retaught a lot I had forgotten or never knew. It’s not adding a lot to my practice as an EM specialist, but think it will help the Hospitalist side of my job.

biochem is destroying me. I really don’t remember much of anything outside of practical pharmacology (ester and amide anesthetics and their pka for example), so learning about aldehydes and all the other functional groups, and tons more I don’t have the time to list, is rough. I’m hoping to just pass this course, which is not something I’ve hoped for since, we’ll, ever actually. I hear the worst class is law, which I can believe because that was my toughest class in PA school as well just because of all the legal double speak.

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Very flexible for those with odd or demanding schedules. Good faculty. Classes great for the generalist, maybe not the specialist, but their isn’t a program geared to specialties yet. I would consider it a clinically heavy program. Biochem will be tough if you are far removed from it like me.

Dude, I logged in to the first day of biochem and about peed myself. I was not ready for all this 😂

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Thanks for the updates, I'm glad you're getting some real worth out of it, disappointed it remains geared towards PC, was hoping the pulm would be geared towards a pulm practice, cards with advanced hemodynamics, advanced heart failure etc.

Stuff we didn't learn in school ya know?

And christ. Good luck with biochem. Never took it so I'd be a big fat failure.

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2 hours ago, MediMike said:

Thanks for the updates, I'm glad you're getting some real worth out of it, disappointed it remains geared towards PC, was hoping the pulm would be geared towards a pulm practice, cards with advanced hemodynamics, advanced heart failure etc.

Stuff we didn't learn in school ya know?

And christ. Good luck with biochem. Never took it so I'd be a big fat failure.

I honestly don't think there is a program out there for people like us that want more critical care/EM style. Even the most clinically oriented, LMU, is geared all for primary care. Supposedly they have IM and EM tracks, but I think that's just what you do your clinicals in. Would be nice to have a program that focused on CCM. 

Yeah, I never took biochem...or organic since it wasn't required. soooo....it's gonna be bumpy.

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@LT_Oneal_PAC Do you feel as if this program will make you stronger clinically?  I'm becoming more committed to the idea of a doctorate now that I've paid off all my student loans, but I am debating which one and what I want out of it.  I love the clinical aspect of medicine and am not super interested in education or admin, though there may come a time when the latter becomes a bigger interest.  I think at that point I'd do an MBA with healthcare focus or an MHA.  I'm considering the LMU program among others, but want to know my money won't be wasted on a program where I'm not really learning anything new.  Thoughts?

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@cinntsp For the inpatient or specialty focused PA, I think there is some knowledge to be had. I’ve certainly walked away feeling more knowledgeable, especially in weaker subjects like rheum. I think cards is being really well done, but I was pretty good at it to begin with. It’s not going to be something revolutionary like residency, if that is what your asking for. Though I can’t be certain LMU will be that way either since it is primary care focused as well.

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Thanks for posting this. I hope you'll continue sharing your experience, and I hope someone from LMU does a similar blog-style review of their experience. Do you know anyone in the education track? Any feedback you've heard on it?

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I am starting in August.   I signed up for 3 courses and thought I would see how that goes.  I think the program looks amazing and I am so excited to start.  I'm curious about how people are feeling now that they are further into the program?  Still manageable?  Also what types of capstone are being done?  Thanks.

Sheri 

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On 2/6/2021 at 10:15 PM, CSCH said:

Thanks for posting this. I hope you'll continue sharing your experience, and I hope someone from LMU does a similar blog-style review of their experience. Do you know anyone in the education track? Any feedback you've heard on it?

Sorry I missed this, but I don’t know much about the educational track.

 

On 5/12/2021 at 7:39 PM, Sherijane said:

I am starting in August.   I signed up for 3 courses and thought I would see how that goes.  I think the program looks amazing and I am so excited to start.  I'm curious about how people are feeling now that they are further into the program?  Still manageable?  Also what types of capstone are being done?  Thanks.

Sheri 

another miss! Sorry. It’s still very manageable. QI projects, survey type stuff. I’ll be doing a case study. 

 

56 minutes ago, SequoiaERPA said:

New to the forum.  I was just accepted to the program and hope to begin this Fall.  Any suggestions on how many classes to carry while you're working full time?

It’s hard to say as my full time with 72 hour shifts is much different from others. I’d still say two classes per 6 weeks is doable with a full time job, but it’s tougher with some classes more than others.

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