andersenpa Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 [ATTACH=CONFIG]901[/ATTACH] Degree Held (2010) 0.9% with PhD 19.0% with Masters 58.8% with Bachelor 12.0% with a degree less than Bachelor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 [ATTACH=CONFIG]901[/ATTACH] Degree Held (2010) 0.9% with PhD 19.0% with Masters 58.8% with Bachelor 12.0% with a degree less than Bachelor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 Degree Held (2010) 0.9% with PhD 19.0% with Masters 58.8% with Bachelor 12.0% with a degree less than Bachelor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hubbardtim48 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Sweet! Thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hubbardtim48 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Sweet! Thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 13, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 13, 2012 Those doctorate level #s seem a bit low to me. the stat thrown around regarding return to med school for pa's is 4-5%. that doesn't include folks who get an academic doctorate. perhaps once someone becomes a physician they don't get included in the stats anymore(?) even then the doctorate level #s seem low. there are plenty of pa's with phd's, edd's, dhsc's, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 13, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 13, 2012 Those doctorate level #s seem a bit low to me. the stat thrown around regarding return to med school for pa's is 4-5%. that doesn't include folks who get an academic doctorate. perhaps once someone becomes a physician they don't get included in the stats anymore(?) even then the doctorate level #s seem low. there are plenty of pa's with phd's, edd's, dhsc's, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 13, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 13, 2012 Those doctorate level #s seem a bit low to me. the stat thrown around regarding return to med school for pa's is 4-5%. that doesn't include folks who get an academic doctorate. perhaps once someone becomes a physician they don't get included in the stats anymore(?) even then the doctorate level #s seem low. there are plenty of pa's with phd's, edd's, dhsc's, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted June 13, 2012 Administrator Share Posted June 13, 2012 Those "degree held" numbers seem pretty reasonable to me, as long as one restricts them to people currently licensed to practice as PA's. Yes, if you get an MD/DO, you're not going to show up in the chart anymore, because you're not practicing as a PA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted June 13, 2012 Administrator Share Posted June 13, 2012 Those "degree held" numbers seem pretty reasonable to me, as long as one restricts them to people currently licensed to practice as PA's. Yes, if you get an MD/DO, you're not going to show up in the chart anymore, because you're not practicing as a PA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted June 13, 2012 Administrator Share Posted June 13, 2012 Those "degree held" numbers seem pretty reasonable to me, as long as one restricts them to people currently licensed to practice as PA's. Yes, if you get an MD/DO, you're not going to show up in the chart anymore, because you're not practicing as a PA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
physasst Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Not enough associates PAs....AS a graduate with an Associates Degree (AS) to start my career as a PA, this saddens me. I have never once, not ONCE been asked what degree I had as a PA...patients don't care. Employers don't care....Schools care, cause they want to charge everyone more for tuition.... With the coming workforce shortages, we are moving in the WRONG direction with that...but I know that many will disagree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
physasst Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Not enough associates PAs....AS a graduate with an Associates Degree (AS) to start my career as a PA, this saddens me. I have never once, not ONCE been asked what degree I had as a PA...patients don't care. Employers don't care....Schools care, cause they want to charge everyone more for tuition.... With the coming workforce shortages, we are moving in the WRONG direction with that...but I know that many will disagree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
physasst Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Not enough associates PAs....AS a graduate with an Associates Degree (AS) to start my career as a PA, this saddens me. I have never once, not ONCE been asked what degree I had as a PA...patients don't care. Employers don't care....Schools care, cause they want to charge everyone more for tuition.... With the coming workforce shortages, we are moving in the WRONG direction with that...but I know that many will disagree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marilynpac Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Many states(IL) now want that masters degree.....esp gov institutions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marilynpac Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Many states(IL) now want that masters degree.....esp gov institutions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marilynpac Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Many states(IL) now want that masters degree.....esp gov institutions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 13, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 13, 2012 I think only 3 states require an MS. I agree with phyasst. requiring an ms discourages a lot of excfellent applicants and only serves to make money for schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 13, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 13, 2012 I think only 3 states require an MS. I agree with phyasst. requiring an ms discourages a lot of excfellent applicants and only serves to make money for schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted June 13, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 13, 2012 I think only 3 states require an MS. I agree with phyasst. requiring an ms discourages a lot of excfellent applicants and only serves to make money for schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkoffshot Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I think only 3 states require an MS.I agree with phyasst. requiring an ms discourages a lot of excfellent applicants and only serves to make money for schools. Aren't you one of the advocates of "the more HCE, the better"? It wouldn't make sense that you would be an advocate of that but not of more experience in academics... With that said, I have 100% faith that PA's practicing with Associate degrees are fully capable of practicing in the same fashion as someone with a Master's degree... but to re-iterate my point from above, PA's practicing with a Master's degree with no previous HCE is fully capable of practicing in the same fashion as someone with prior HCE. Yes, it costs more money.. at least that's what my bank statement tells me. Remember, money doesn't buy you happiness :)... but it'll sure buy you a nice car! As much competition as there is b/w PA's and NP's I think we have to bite the bullet and do it. I know as an employer in the health field I would take a DNP over a PA with an Associates any day of the week. That is night and day.. 2 years of education compared to 6+ years. It's about competition now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkoffshot Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I think only 3 states require an MS.I agree with phyasst. requiring an ms discourages a lot of excfellent applicants and only serves to make money for schools. Aren't you one of the advocates of "the more HCE, the better"? It wouldn't make sense that you would be an advocate of that but not of more experience in academics... With that said, I have 100% faith that PA's practicing with Associate degrees are fully capable of practicing in the same fashion as someone with a Master's degree... but to re-iterate my point from above, PA's practicing with a Master's degree with no previous HCE is fully capable of practicing in the same fashion as someone with prior HCE. Yes, it costs more money.. at least that's what my bank statement tells me. Remember, money doesn't buy you happiness :)... but it'll sure buy you a nice car! As much competition as there is b/w PA's and NP's I think we have to bite the bullet and do it. I know as an employer in the health field I would take a DNP over a PA with an Associates any day of the week. That is night and day.. 2 years of education compared to 6+ years. It's about competition now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkoffshot Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I think only 3 states require an MS.I agree with phyasst. requiring an ms discourages a lot of excfellent applicants and only serves to make money for schools. Aren't you one of the advocates of "the more HCE, the better"? It wouldn't make sense that you would be an advocate of that but not of more experience in academics... With that said, I have 100% faith that PA's practicing with Associate degrees are fully capable of practicing in the same fashion as someone with a Master's degree... but to re-iterate my point from above, PA's practicing with a Master's degree with no previous HCE is fully capable of practicing in the same fashion as someone with prior HCE. Yes, it costs more money.. at least that's what my bank statement tells me. Remember, money doesn't buy you happiness :)... but it'll sure buy you a nice car! As much competition as there is b/w PA's and NP's I think we have to bite the bullet and do it. I know as an employer in the health field I would take a DNP over a PA with an Associates any day of the week. That is night and day.. 2 years of education compared to 6+ years. It's about competition now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 I think only 3 states require an MS.I agree with phyasst. requiring an ms discourages a lot of excfellent applicants and only serves to make money for schools. -standardized degree to the level that we are educated. There may be some (capital P) Professions that function at the level that we do, and make the money that we do, with an associate degree. PT, OT, audiology, etc are either masters or above -some states are requiring it as you said; many more employers are as well. Who knows if insurers are to follow? -it's only my opinion but I think there are more than enough qualified applicants for masters level PA programs. We are a profession in evolution. We can't dig our heels in on some issues (degree), yet advocate advancement on others (name change). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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