ArmyVetDude Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Anyone else get this email from AAPA about a possible survey they will send out about the title change? It better be Medical Practitioner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AspiringPA2015 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just received it. Interested to see what the survey will contain. Did anyone else notice her smirk in the video when she mentioned "possible" title change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal_PA Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I'm new to the profession (3 years) but didn't they send out a survey in the somewhat recent past? The PA I was shadowing at the time said the majority voted to NOT change the name....Let's hope we are in a better place now Edit: I think it happened in 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I can't ever remember a time when the majority of the profession was against name change particularly 3 years ago. I suspect your PA was perhaps reflecting their own opinion. Some have been against it. Many were ambiguous. Most were in favor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal_PA Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, sas5814 said: I can't ever remember a time when the majority of the profession was against name change particularly 3 years ago. I suspect your PA was perhaps reflecting their own opinion. Some have been against it. Many were ambiguous. Most were in favor "Discussions about the title of the PA profession are almost as old as the profession itself. In recent times, the issue has been debated at the House of Delegates (HOD) at least three times since 1998, including at the 2012 HOD, when a proposal to create a taskforce to consider the issue was ultimately voted down, and again in 2015." https://www.aapa.org/career-central/physician-assistant-pa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Ahhh the HOD. Got it. I was thinking "man on the street". I wasn't particularly interested in the AAPA until the last couple of years and this would be one reason why. They have had a real awakening and the current leadership is doing great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProSpectre Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 This is pretty interesting actually, that video is the first I've heard directly from the firm that was hired to conduct the title change investigation. Here is a link for those who don't want to have to dig through their emails: https://www.aapa.org/title-change-investigation-resources/?utm_source=newscentraltopas&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tci Interestingly, you do NOT have to be an AAPA member to get the survey that the firm will be sending out in March about the title change. I encourage every PA on this forum that is interested in moving the profession forward to take a few moments to update your info, or to create a free account if you aren't a member. That way when the surveys are sent out next month, we can have as many voices heard as possible. Let's keep this momentum rolling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 very nice...and I think they are being smart by including non AAPA members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyVetDude Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 6:52 PM, sas5814 said: Ahhh the HOD. Got it. I was thinking "man on the street". I wasn't particularly interested in the AAPA until the last couple of years and this would be one reason why. They have had a real awakening and the current leadership is doing great stuff. NP's are getting preferential treatment in some places with no need to pay physicians extra for supervision and other administrative bullshiit. We should have passed OTP years ago. I guess late is better than never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I didn't get the email[emoji53] Oops I JUST got an email about a survey from AAPA going out in late March but it's from PAFT. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 3 hours ago, ArmyVetDude said: NP's are getting preferential treatment in some places with no need to pay physicians extra for supervision and other administrative bullshiit. We should have passed OTP years ago. I guess late is better than never At this point late is all we have. A conscious decision was made years ago to tie ourselves firmly to the physicians because they would always control medicine and they would reward our loyalty. Things changed and we were very slow to change in response. Recriminations aside....we need to move forward as fast as we can and all of us need to stop bitching and start working on these issues. It makes me pull my hair when someone complains about a bunch of stuff and then says "someone should fix this." YOU....YOU should help fix it speaker! Death By A Thousand Cuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProSpectre Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Joelseff said: I didn't get the email I posted the link above above, as I imagine a lot of people may have overlooked the email. The email I got was titled "Boosting PA Visibility in 2019" and it wasn't purely about the Title Change Survey; it also had information about other PA advancements like the ad campaign the AAPA and NCCPA are doing this year and legislative updates for 2019 (like the new bill to authorize direct pay to PAs from Medicare). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmiller3 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 At the rate we are changing our profession, we might as well just change our name to "DNP Assistant". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I posted the link above above, as I imagine a lot of people may have overlooked the email. The email I got was titled "Boosting PA Visibility in 2019" and it wasn't purely about the Title Change Survey; it also had information about other PA advancements like the ad campaign the AAPA and NCCPA are doing this year and legislative updates for 2019 (like the new bill to authorize direct pay to PAs from Medicare). Good looking out! [emoji106] I found the email using the search terms "boosting PA visibility" it was from a "Carrie Munk" at AAPA. Thanks! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyVetDude Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share Posted February 28, 2019 14 hours ago, mmiller3 said: At the rate we are changing our profession, we might as well just change our name to "DNP Assistant". lol Once NP's obtain independence in Cali, all other states will follow. More NP's will open up their outpatient health clinics and we might have to ask them to hire us, lol. this is a very likely possibility. We have to act fast to put ourselves on even footing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I support the name change, OTP, and pretty much anything that pushes our profession forwards. I have been searching for a new job for months now and one of the primary reasons I've been turned down for "NP or PA" jobs has been because I am specifically not an NP. If I get the opportunity to explain what an NP and PA are and what PAs are capable of (Not to mention the amount of professional training we receive) I'm usually met with a blank stare and the questions "Well, we want someone who can be independent. You need a doctor don't you?" *UGHHH* Or, I don't even get the chance to explain. Sincerely, A very frustrated PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyVetDude Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 The fact that we NEED to have some physicians supervising us but NP's do not, makes us seem less reliable and skilled to most administrators and public. Like it or not perception is reality. What I hear often is, well why don't NP's need to have physicians go over their pt encounters and notes but y'all PA's do? Is it because PA's are less trained and reliable and hence need closer supervision? We can try to convince them all we want how our education and training is superior to NP's and so on, but we get quickly squashed as mere "ASSISTANTS" acting better than what we actually are It pisses me off seeing so many PA's get disrespected like this in the hospitals. and they just shrug it off. This is really sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 AAPA goofed up by sending the announcement buried in the email. I got two emails, one from Ann Davis to the CO leaders and the other from Carrie Munk. I emailed Carrie and requested that AAPA send the video link and update as a stand alone email. I haven't heard back and it probably got sent to her junk box. So I am going to post the request on Huddle. Huddle has the video link but the thread is closed for any discussion. I wonder why? My initial impression was negative as I took the you tube video as a warning shot that the marketing firm is telling us we are not going to get the title change. She did kind of smirk....like she was saying...."what the heck are you assistants thinking anyways? You are assistants and you think you DESERVE a title change???" Uh, so I'm a little negative but my state (WI) was one of the sponsors of the resolution for title change investigation. I think it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks about our title modernization nor should any non-PA be surveyed about the change. I mean, after all, it's OUR title. We should be able to do what we want and is best for us. Why do they have to survey physicians and employers? Nurse administrators will just vote NO. Physicians will get all territorial and prevent any advancement of the PA is my prediction. As one of my colleague said about the survey: The only question that should be asked is: How many PAs will stop paying dues to AAPA if title modernization fails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 AAPA goofed up by sending the announcement buried in the email. I got two emails, one from Ann Davis to the CO leaders and the other from Carrie Munk. I emailed Carrie and requested that AAPA send the video link and update as a stand alone email. I haven't heard back and it probably got sent to her junk box. So I am going to post the request on Huddle. Huddle has the video link but the thread is closed for any discussion. I wonder why? My initial impression was negative as I took the you tube video as a warning shot that the marketing firm is telling us we are not going to get the title change. She did kind of smirk....like she was saying...."what the heck are you assistants thinking anyways? You are assistants and you think you DESERVE a title change???" Uh, so I'm a little negative but my state (WI) was one of the sponsors of the resolution for title change investigation. I think it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks about our title modernization nor should any non-PA be surveyed about the change. I mean, after all, it's OUR title. We should be able to do what we want and is best for us. Why do they have to survey physicians and employers? Nurse administrators will just vote NO. Physicians will get all territorial and prevent any advancement of the PA is my prediction. As one of my colleague said about the survey: The only question that should be asked is: How many PAs will stop paying dues to AAPA if title modernization fails? I agree Paula. Only PAs and I suppose PA-S should be surveyed. This is ridiculous. Employers and physicians are unlikely to support a change and IT IS NOT THEIR PROFESSION!!! This is bananas.I'm very disappointed in the direction they took this on. Though I'm holding out hope that this will move us forward, I am fearful that this will be like the last time we looked at title change in 2012 I think. That just fizzled out. Except this time we are spending a lot of money to be disappointed.... [emoji853]Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 WPP is a British company so they certainly should know about British Physician Associates. I wonder if they research globally about PA title or PA-like titles used by international cohorts of ours? Feldshar/Clinical Officers/Physician Associates/Barefoot Doctors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 We can make up a name like how real estate agents became Realtors if they paid dues into the National Realtor's Association.I guess we could be "Medicators!" hahahahaha maybe not... Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyVetDude Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 11 hours ago, Joelseff said: We can make up a name like how real estate agents became Realtors if they paid dues into the National Realtor's Association. I guess we could be "Medicators!" hahahahaha maybe not... Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk There was a concerned post in the Huddle about , What if WPP doesn't recommend a title change. Then what? the title change is must. It is equivalent to the US fighting in a war and being okay not to come out as a winner. There should be no other option but to win. Win (change the Title) or Bust Are we going to just box ourselves in as "FOREVER ASSISTANTS" and destine ourselves to be future employees of NP owned clinics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdtpac Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Can someone clear this up; but I was at the AAPA conference last year and could have sworn that WPP was going to present findings in CO 2019. Now it is 2020 they will present findings? Was I just so excited to hear potential change was coming and missed this or was there a delay that occurred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 wdtpac: It's a 2 year process. This year WPP is to have a report to share with the HOD and then in 2020 will share their final results. So it seems the next step is the survey that will be sent out at the end of March for all of us to answer. My sense is the survey results will be one of the reports they will have ready for HOD this year. . I'm assuming they will share the initial research they did too. Then in 2020 they will make their recommendation and we will have to vote on it and decide how to direct the AAPA BOD to implement whatever we decide. So, in my mind, if WPP recommends no title change the question the HOD will need to answer is : How many members will AAPA risk alienating if we get no title change and is it the end of the profession as a viable medical profession? Will we be supervised by NP's since we are assistants? ( I will remain hopeful for title change and will be anxiously waiting to hear the 2019 HOD report) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapLustrum Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 PA Students and those applying to PA school seem to be overwhelmingly in favor of a title change. If WPP recommends no title change, it will just kick the can down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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