Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Hello! I'm a new grad and recently received a job offer and contract. I wanted to see what other PAs thought and things I should negotiate since this is my first experience with this.

Position is with a spine surgery practice in Texas:

- Salary $90K with yearly bonus "at discretion of CEO." This seems a little low, but hard to negotiate as I have no experience.
- 2 weeks paid vacation - In my interview they also stated that major holidays were off as well. Need to clarify if these would be paid or not. Is this reasonable time off or too little?
- 5 days sick leave with doctor's note
- CME allowance of $2500. They stated in interview that I also would have 5 days for CME, so I need to clarify this with my contract and whether they are paid or not and have this included in writing.
- Malpractice insurance is provided "consistent with reasonable surgical physician assistant coverage." Obviously need to clarify whether occurrence or claims maid. And tail or not.
- Individual health insurance covered by employer. Family health insurance covered by employee. I only need coverage for myself, so this sounded like a good deal to me.

Other than above, I also wanted feedback on my hours. My schedule is described as up to 5 days a week but then later says that 5 days is routine and more days as agreed by PA and physician as needed. Hours may or may not extend past 10 hours per day with workload not to exceed 80 hours a week. There is no mention of call but when discussed they said I should "rarely" be on call. Obviously I'm not trying to get tricked into working 80 hours a week when the job was described as a M-F position. What is the best way to ask that this is clarified and protect myself from being exploited?

Appreciate all of your feedback! Thank you!

Edited by knwandrick
change title

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, knwandrick said:

Hello! I'm a new grad and recently received a job offer and contract. I wanted to see what other PAs thought and things I should negotiate since this is my first experience with this.

Position is with a spine surgery practice in Texas:

- Salary $90K with yearly bonus "at discretion of CEO." This seems a little low, but hard to negotiate as I have no experience.
- 2 weeks paid vacation - In my interview they also stated that major holidays were off as well. Need to clarify if these would be paid or not. Is this reasonable time off or too little?
- 5 days sick leave with doctor's note
- CME allowance of $2500. They stated in interview that I also would have 5 days for CME, so I need to clarify this with my contract and whether they are paid or not and have this included in writing.
- Malpractice insurance is provided "consistent with reasonable surgical physician assistant coverage." Obviously need to clarify whether occurrence or claims maid. And tail or not.
- Individual health insurance covered by employer. Family health insurance covered by employee. I only need coverage for myself, so this sounded like a good deal to me.

Other than above, I also wanted feedback on my hours. My schedule is described as up to 5 days a week but then later says that 5 days is routine and more days as agreed by PA and physician as needed. Hours may or may not extend past 10 hours per day with workload not to exceed 80 hours a week. There is no mention of call but when discussed they said I should "rarely" be on call. Obviously I'm not trying to get tricked into working 80 hours a week when the job was described as a M-F position. What is the best way to ask that this is clarified and protect myself from being exploited?

Appreciate all of your feedback! Thank you!

Red flags all over this. Is all of this your wording or is it the wording of the employer? 

-Bonus "at discretion of CEO"  --> so I am guessing you won't get a bonus

-Malpractice insurance coverage "consistent with reasonable surgical physician assistant coverage." --> what is reasonable coverage in their minds?

-Scheduled to work "up to 5 days a week" 

-Scheduled to work 5 days "plus more days as agreed by PA and physician as needed" --> so you could be working 5-7 days a wk? hmmm....

-Hours "may or may not extend past 10 hours per day" --> so you could work as little as 5 hours per day or as much as 20 hours

-Workload "will not exceed past 80 hours a week" --> i would hope you aren't expected to work 80 hours per week, or 70, or 60

-Call is "rare" --> what is considered rare? once a month?

 

No... Just no...

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Get details in writing.  As above, a lot of muddled wording.

Are you doing 4 10s?  That's up to 5 days and may or may not exceed 10 hrs.  In which case, great.  5 x 8hr days also fine.  But it's all too vague.  The fact that they have this language in the contract would say to me that you definitely at some point will be doing 10+ hr days and potentially reaching 80hr/weeks.  

You need details.  Make them get specific.  Make them put it in writing.  If the details lean your way, then sure.  As is, this doesn't sound promising (but you SHOULD try to pin them down, it might end up being okay).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you both for taking a look. I definitely agree that the hours need to specified further. At my interview we discussed a M-F schedule 8-5 with some OR days (7-5). 

I appreciate your feedback. For some background, I'm a new grad and relocated for my husband's job after graduation, so I don't have any great contacts or networking from school. So far I haven't had any other leads on my applications, so I'm not in a great position to turn this away IF I can get the hours clarified and nailed down.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's better to look a few more weeks, rather than switch jobs in 6 months. Have they had a PA before? What was his/her hours like? If you're gonna work 40 hours a week, then it's an okay offer. If you're gonna be working 60-80 hours a week, then it's shit. If you're working an average of 60 hours a week, that 90K means under $30 an hour. Terrible. Either clarify hours or insist on being paid 45/hour.

Also, the fact that you need a doctors note for sick time is absolute bullshit. You're a professional with a masters degree. I have a cold but I have to drag my ass to an urgent care, waste a copay, waste my time, just so I can get a note so I can get paid. Bullshit.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Similar Content

    • By SEMPA
      SEMPA Ultrasound Courses
      November 8-10, 2019
      Huntington Beach, CA
      https://www.sempa.org/education/ultrasound-huntingtonbeach/
      January 27-28, 2020
      Jacksonville, FL
      https://www.sempa.org/education/ultrasound-jacksonville/
      The SEMPA Ultrasound Courses will provide point-of-care ultrasound training to physician assistants working in emergency medicine. Didactic sessions will focus on concise, useful information, images, and video. Most importantly, participants will have the opportunity to learn the necessary skills through hands-on teaching and practice on live models under the guidance of experienced faculty.
      Due to the popularity of this course, we will be offering two courses this winter.
      Choose the course that works best for you and register today!
    • By Nicholas9
      Hello Everyone,  
      I am graduating PA school in August and have been given a job offer in Gastroenterology.  I am really excited for this job,  but don't know how to negotiate the contract or if it is good enough as it stands.  
      starting pay is $90,000 salary.  mentions bonuses but does not have in writing a sign on bonus moving bonus, RVU performance, or pay raises.  
      PTO 3 weeks, sick leave 1 week, CME 1 week.
      $1500 CME per year.
      year to year contract
      malpractice is included but does not mention a tail
      an 18 month non compete that covers two counties.  I would cause irreparable damage if I break this non compete.  
       
      my negotiating leverage (I was an endoscopy tech for two years.  did my masters thesis on GERD.  I speak Spanish fluently).  
    • By shanmmull
      Hi everyone! I’m a new grad PA who just graduated a couple months ago and I’m primarily interested in GI, Family, or Hospital Medicine. A PA who I used to shadow in Thoracic Surgery reached out to me and asked for my resume and I thought, what the hell, I’ll give it a shot and see what this job is about. I just had an interview for this Thoracic surgery job and the team is willing to give me great training as a new grad. It seems great, but I’m not crazy about surgery and don’t have much procedure experience. They haven’t given me an offer yet, but I’m concerned that I won’t know what to do if they do. Should I hold out and see if I get an opportunity in specialty that I really want?  Part of me worries that if I turn this down another opportunity won’t come along...as I’ve already applied to about 15 different places the past month but haven’t heard anything back. Also how long is appropriate time to ask for before accepting an offer? 
    • By SEMPA
      2019 SEMPA Emergency Procedures Course
      Oct 7-8, 2019
      Jacksonville, Florida
      - 10.75 AMA PRA Category 1 Credits
      - All procedures performed on high fidelity simulators
      Airway management (direct laryngoscopy, video laryngoscopy, rescue devices) Lumbar puncture (with and without ultrasound guidance) Arthrocentesis (with and without ultrasound guidance) Intraosseous vascular access Central venous access (internal jugular, subclavian, femoral; with and without ultrasound guidance) Tube thoracostomy Needle decompression Paracentesis (with and without ultrasound guidance) Thoracentesis (with and without ultrasound guidance) Peritonsillar abscess drainage Arterial line placement - Procedural anatomy demonstration on human cadavers (limited hands-on)
      This course is expected to fill quickly so sign up now as registration is limited!
      https://sempa.org/education/procedures/
       

       
    • By futurepa777
      Hi,
      I graduated in december 2018, passed the boards, got my license, but have been struggling to find a job as a new grad. Everyone wants at least 2 years experience, no matter big name or no name or wants an NP. Now 6 months out of school with loans about to kick in I'm getting discouraged, but have too much of a debt burden to move out of state. The gap since graduation has started to come up in interviews as well and I anticipate it will only get worse. Any tips or leads? I've contacted old precptors,  have an updated linkedin account and actively apply daily, but just curious if there are any other strategies people used as a recent grad.
      Thank you!
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to the Physician Assistant Forum! This website uses cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our website. Learn More