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30 minutes ago, BeAPA716 said:

 

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Omg that picture just made my whole day. Lol! 🙂

I dont think everyone that hasn’t heard yet is on the waitlist. Denials don’t seem to have gone out yet. It was approximately 173 or so that interviewed. 

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Sorry to everyone who received a rejection letter.  Even though I did not, I've still put the wheels in motion toward taking another class and reapplying.  If I get some sort of official waitlist notification, that still means it could be as late as December that I get a seat or a letter of rejection.  I can't just resubmit the same app without improving on it.  So, back to the books I guess.  Best of luck to all of you with whatever you decide to do next.  It's been nerve-racking and heartbreaking for a lot of us, and I hope it's never this difficult for any of you again 

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11 minutes ago, pafuture1234 said:

I haven't received anything as of yet. Have they contacted everyone whether they have been rejected, waitlisted or accepted? Or do I still have some hope lol?

several of us haven't heard anything. I guess they are waiting to get all 80 deposits before finalizing the waitlist

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On 7/29/2019 at 10:01 AM, GapLustrum said:

^Brand new account, 1st post, from a "student" subtly criticizing EVMS right after initial acceptances go out and people are waiting to see if spots open up from people declining their offer...while all the current students on the facebook page and in real life have nothing but great things to say about the school...not suspicious at all, nope...

I assure you I am a current student and doing quite well. I wish I could exercise my right to free speech and discuss my concerns openly, but unfortunately I do not feel that would be a smart career move. I don’t know how to say this without sounding condescending, but if I only heard “nothing but great things about the school from all current students I’ve encountered” then that would be a rather large red flag to me. I am trying to remain as neutral as possible but still make a comment that may indicate to the astute applicant to dig a little deeper and maybe seek out students that aren’t volunteering to show you around the school. Maybe you would then make a more informed decision about your choice of school to attend.

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On 7/29/2019 at 3:06 PM, SecondCareerPrePA said:

How likely is it that a current or former student navigates to this page to vent about their expectations being disappointed?  It's also likely that an applicant who was unfamiliar with the institution was not satisfied with their interview experience.  Over 170 applicants interviewed, and the school did not leave the same impression on everyone.

Internet forums are prone to people sharing opinions, but unless you share your story and identify where you are in your journey, opinions about institutions are just that.  We've all gone to college, some multiple, and we've all had good and bad experiences.  So, I guess I'm saying, read the room 

This thread is a great place for applicants to EVMS to support each other through their journey.  Many are already on to the next cycle, some were accepted to EVMS MPA, and about ninety of us are still on the edge of our seat to hear anything at all.  If this program doesn't fit the bill for you, your personal experiences helped determine that.  You'll find your path.

To those that are still excited about the opportunity to be a part of this program (the one this thread is about), I'm with you.  If you interviewed and you're still waiting to hear, remember, none of us knows our rank and any one of us could be getting a call in the next week that we've been accepted. So stay positive, and keep going after what you want.  Things have a funny way of working out when you're giving it your all, sometimes it might take longer than you anticipated.  

Tom (second time applying, first time interviewed, not in the 80 initial acceptances)

 

 

You’re partially correct (minus the characterization that my initial post was “venting”, as that would imply it was written with emotionally charged language) as it serves almost no benefit to a current student to give their honest criticism of a program they are going to graduate from. I did think about saying nothing, but I think it’s unfair to those on here to get a skewed perspective going into the application process or making such an important school decision. 

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38 minutes ago, 1234PA1994 said:

I assure you I am a current student and doing quite well. I wish I could exercise my right to free speech and discuss my concerns openly, but unfortunately I do not feel that would be a smart career move. I don’t know how to say this without sounding condescending, but if I only heard “nothing but great things about the school from all current students I’ve encountered” then that would be a rather large red flag to me. I am trying to remain as neutral as possible but still make a comment that may indicate to the astute applicant to dig a little deeper and maybe seek out students that aren’t volunteering to show you around the school. Maybe you would then make a more informed decision about your choice of school to attend.

Would you mind sharing your specific grievances with the program rather than speaking in vague terms, either here or via private message where your anonymity would further be protected? I've had interviews with programs that I did NOT feel confident in that schools ability to provide a decent education. Although I overall had a positive experience at EVMS I would love to hear your perspective. 

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As a current student of the 2021 class I can say that of course our program has some downfalls, some professors that are turds, etc. but I will never regret my decision to deny several top rated programs, to move across the country away from my husband and family.  EVMS is more than just a PA program.  We are a family that supports each other through the hard times which make the downfalls of the program (whatever they may be) not matter in the long run.  

As the current director of our program, Dr. Dempsey, would say “if you have a criticism or critique you shouldn’t be afraid to put your face on it”.  My name is Sandi Tobin, MPA-S and I approve this message.

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On 7/29/2019 at 12:17 PM, GapLustrum said:

I would hope that fake accounts would be discredited. As much as I'd love to live in a world where everyone was who they say they are on the internet, I'm afraid I've seen time and time again that's not always the case. Sorry if you took offense to me reminding people to remain skeptical of anonymous anecdotes. I too want this to continue to be a place where people can share freely whatever they choose, but open discussion includes some criticism and even some stepping on toes now and then.

It’s good to exercise critical thinking skills and to question things, especially anonymous comments. in fact, it’s a good skill for learning and practicing medicine in general. I just hope you treat all comments with the same type of criticism. There is a lot to say about “staying positive” and as I mentioned, there are some good things about the program. However,, since I felt that the comments on here overall don’t accurately reflect what I personally see and also hear from many students in my class, then I just wanted to let people know they should do more digging. I feel I was thoughtful in my original comment without disparaging the program altogether. But I think that for positive change to occur there needs to be reflection on aspects that can be improved. If you have more questions about the program in general, I will answer them privately in a professional manner. I’m not here to give dirt on the program, but there are many issues that I feel are a hindrance to student success and those are what I am concerned about. I’m spending a lot of time answer these responses, so I hope by now you realize that I’m not a troll. 

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1 hour ago, GapLustrum said:

It's kind of a dick move timing wise if you really are a current student. I feel like the time for constructive criticism is either pre-interviews or post-rejections, not a few days after acceptances when people are celebrating the opportunity of getting in. Most applicants aren't really deciding between multiple acceptances in that 5-10 day window. They've made up their mind. Applying elsewhere needed to happen in like April/May. Just raining on people's parades at that point.

So you think my motivations were to quote “be a dick”? I feel your frustration is misdirected and I’m sorry you feel that way. I didn’t personally attack you or anyone else and actually I was encouraging those who did not get in to keep working hard. I’m sorry if you need an artificial sense that things are “great” or “awesome” to realize that getting into any PA program in-and-of-itself is already a huge achievement that should go without saying. Furthermore, I’m not intending to take that away from anyone. I’m not monitoring these boards to time things a certain way, but I was recently thinking about future students and wanted to post my ideas out of concern. There have been many students that seem to love every bit of the EVMS program and culture, and I’m happy for them. I feel the program fits a certain personality, and it’s not strictly limited to who will make a compassionate provider or good future PA. I’ve also seen many other students not have that experience, so any comments I’ve made were from a principled sense of wanting to help people who may be making tough, expensive life choices. Hopefully you’ll make it in and get to have your own experience, and I hope it’s a good one. I’ve worked extremely hard to get into school and know how difficult it is, and there was no intention to bring anyone down. I just have noticed some things seem to have been pervasive here and felt it would be unfair for future prospective students to not know what they are getting in to. Good luck with your future endeavors!  I really do wish you success in your application process. 

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The way you guys attacked this current student for sharing their experience, makes me hope I never see any of y’all faces in the classroom, hospital, or operating room. Yall one sad bunch of individuals to say “dick” and tell people to time their comments or save them for another forum because they make you uncomfortable by shattering the image you got engraved in your head of EVMS. No wonder y’all on the outside trying to look in. Thank you @1234PA1994 for sharing with us. Trust me it was well received by those us of willing to hear what you said in a constructive manner. It definitely challenged me and definitelty reminded me of the red flag about EVMS mentioned in the news a few months back about the black face incident and the yearbook. If perspective students who want to get in so badly can’t appreciate/accept different opinions/experiences please tell me if this is not a reflection of how this school probably treats minorities and the “little” people in the room? Since we want to talk about only the good experiences at EVMS @Bonist55 what was the discussion concerning the black face and the yearbook? Was there even a discussion or a message from the university addressing this revelation? Because the way this thread spiraling downwards, I now have major concerns that we’re once minimal. 

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22 minutes ago, FeelTheMusicPA said:

The way you guys attacked this current student for sharing their experience, makes me hope I never see any of y’all faces in the classroom, hospital, or operating room. Yall one sad bunch of individuals to say “dick” and tell people to time their comments or save them for another forum because they make you uncomfortable by shattering the image you got engraved in your head of EVMS. No wonder y’all on the outside trying to look in. Thank you @1234PA1994 for sharing with us. Trust me it was well received by those us of willing to hear what you said in a constructive manner. It definitely challenged me and definitelty reminded me of the red flag about EVMS mentioned in the news a few months back about the black face incident and the yearbook. If perspective students who want to get in so badly can’t appreciate/accept different opinions/experiences please tell me if this is not a reflection of how this school probably treats minorities and the “little” people in the room? Since we want to talk about only the good experiences at EVMS @Bonist55 what was the discussion concerning the black face and the yearbook? Was there even a discussion or a message from the university addressing this revelation? Because the way this thread spiraling downwards, I now have major concerns that we’re once minimal. 

Thank you for listening. If it helps one student made a more educated decision on this very important choice then it is worth the ridicule. Even speaking out anonymously isn’t exactly comfortable, but I personally feel that if I can’t even do something like this, how am I going to actually have the willpower to stand up and make an ethical or moral decision on behalf of a patient when it really counts? Often doing the right thing is difficult, and I think its because during these circumstances you are usually pushing against long standing preexisting paradigms that many perceive as “normal” or “right”. This even applies to the blackface incident. It is hard to believe that this was not discussed back in 1984 amongst any of the faculty or students, or their families. I find that impossible to believe, but that is what we have all been told to believe by current faculty and staff. To be fair, the current president did hold a lot of meetings with students and media to discuss this, but things would improve with adding diversity of color and actually diverse backgrounds to the faculty at EVMS. That could have a more systemic effect than just trying to recruit more students of color. 

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7 hours ago, 1234PA1994 said:

I assure you I am a current student and doing quite well. I wish I could exercise my right to free speech and discuss my concerns openly, but unfortunately I do not feel that would be a smart career move. I don’t know how to say this without sounding condescending, but if I only heard “nothing but great things about the school from all current students I’ve encountered” then that would be a rather large red flag to me. I am trying to remain as neutral as possible but still make a comment that may indicate to the astute applicant to dig a little deeper and maybe seek out students that aren’t volunteering to show you around the school. Maybe you would then make a more informed decision about your choice of school to attend.

(I'm sure this response will be a massive waste of time but hey)

You don't have to do much digging to find dirt. During the interview process, there are plenty of students who didn't volunteer who might make a sly comment here and there. After the interview, at the bar, there are plenty of students who will disparage the program if you ask. I personally think that you should take everything you hear from these people with an ocean of salt, and I'm speaking as someone who is very familiar with them. I'm not all sunshine and rainbows, either, but your first post is hardly helping anyone. You sat around and had sooo much concern for the interviewees that you had to post for them to dig deeper, as if they're running a con operation at EVMS. You got called a dick because you were being a bit condescending in your subsequent replies.

Some of the grievances that students have against the program are well founded, and the school generally attempts to address those semester to semester. The vast majority, however, are rooted in the fact that you're throwing 80 people in a room who have generally passed with ease, and suddenly life isn't super easy. Stress runs high, things are "unfair", the workload is immense, and people break down. It's something that happens everywhere. EVMS is not presenting the program as something that it isn't. I'm not sure where you got that idea, exactly, because I know where you would've gotten your information about the program. And they've been talking about "radical changes" to the program for at least a few years. I'm not sure why that would influence anyone's decision to come to EVMS. They just pretty radically changed the PANCE too. Things change. Long story short: there's a lot of whining in PA school. A LOT. It's really not that difficult to make it through. Just put your head down and study.

To everyone who got in, congrats! To everyone on the wait list, best of luck to you. I know there are a lot of people sick to their stomachs and reloading their email every hour. People who disparage the program they're at need to take a second and reflect on how lucky they are to be in that seat.

32 minutes ago, FeelTheMusicPA said:

The way you guys attacked this current student for sharing their experience, makes me hope I never see any of y’all faces in the classroom, hospital, or operating room. Yall one sad bunch of individuals to say “dick” and tell people to time their comments or save them for another forum because they make you uncomfortable by shattering the image you got engraved in your head of EVMS. No wonder y’all on the outside trying to look in. Thank you @1234PA1994 for sharing with us. Trust me it was well received by those us of willing to hear what you said in a constructive manner. It definitely challenged me and definitelty reminded me of the red flag about EVMS mentioned in the news a few months back about the black face incident and the yearbook. If perspective students who want to get in so badly can’t appreciate/accept different opinions/experiences please tell me if this is not a reflection of how this school probably treats minorities and the “little” people in the room? Since we want to talk about only the good experiences at EVMS @Bonist55 what was the discussion concerning the black face and the yearbook? Was there even a discussion or a message from the university addressing this revelation? Because the way this thread spiraling downwards, I now have major concerns that we’re once minimal. 

I started to reply to this, but there's just so much ridiculousness here that it's difficult. Did you really just wonder aloud if EVMS is racist because PROSPECTIVE students on a message board disagreed with what this 1234 person said? Because it takes next level mental gymnastics to do that, bravo madam/sir. Bravo. Like, what? Wow. I'm flabbergasted.

If you did some research on your own, instead of just asking inflammatory questions, you'll see that there were many events held by the university to discuss this occurrence. There was open communication between the board and the student body, including a few town halls and open meetings. Jeeze man, seriously? Smmfh

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39 minutes ago, definitelydidntgotoevms said:

(I'm sure this response will be a massive waste of time but hey)

You don't have to do much digging to find dirt. During the interview process, there are plenty of students who didn't volunteer who might make a sly comment here and there. After the interview, at the bar, there are plenty of students who will disparage the program if you ask. I personally think that you should take everything you hear from these people with an ocean of salt, and I'm speaking as someone who is very familiar with them. I'm not all sunshine and rainbows, either, but your first post is hardly helping anyone. You sat around and had sooo much concern for the interviewees that you had to post for them to dig deeper, as if they're running a con operation at EVMS. You got called a dick because you were being a bit condescending in your subsequent replies.

Some of the grievances that students have against the program are well founded, and the school generally attempts to address those semester to semester. The vast majority, however, are rooted in the fact that you're throwing 80 people in a room who have generally passed with ease, and suddenly life isn't super easy. Stress runs high, things are "unfair", the workload is immense, and people break down. It's something that happens everywhere. EVMS is not presenting the program as something that it isn't. I'm not sure where you got that idea, exactly, because I know where you would've gotten your information about the program. And they've been talking about "radical changes" to the program for at least a few years. I'm not sure why that would influence anyone's decision to come to EVMS. They just pretty radically changed the PANCE too. Things change. Long story short: there's a lot of whining in PA school. A LOT. It's really not that difficult to make it through. Just put your head down and study.

To everyone who got in, congrats! To everyone on the wait list, best of luck to you. I know there are a lot of people sick to their stomachs and reloading their email every hour. People who disparage the program they're at need to take a second and reflect on how lucky they are to be in that seat.

I started to reply to this, but there's just so much ridiculousness here that it's difficult. Did you really just wonder aloud if EVMS is racist because PROSPECTIVE students on a message board disagreed with what this 1234 person said? Because it takes next level mental gymnastics to do that, bravo madam/sir. Bravo. Like, what? Wow. I'm flabbergasted.

If you did some research on your own, instead of just asking inflammatory questions, you'll see that there were many events held by the university to discuss this occurrence. There was open communication between the board and the student body, including a few town halls and open meetings. Jeeze man, seriously? Smmfh

Um I didn’t say racist did I? But since you thought that go right ahead because having students in a yearbook in black face clearly says I’m not racist and implies I celebrate people’s differences and experiences instead of ridicule and poke fun like yall just did with this student. AGAIN, I invite current students to address my questions and how they felt when this was brought to light because again this forum is a reflection of the type of students drawn to the school and who eventually get in! Next, I wonder if this was more reactive then proactive because 💩 the flame. That yearbook been around how long and ON DISPLAY but it wasn’t until a person of noriety gets alittle attention that we address what WE ALREADY KNOW! But anywho, make me your next victim for asking the questions none of y’all choose to ask! Town Halls and Forums, what really gets accomplished in them. 🤣 Where was the sensitivity training, apology to the community ridiculed, and the transparency discussion of how that yearbook sat there for years!? Can we see the diversity in numbers/the statistics?  EVMS says they hope to have a diverse student body but I surely didn’t see it in my interview 🤔  Programs with this agenda spell out how they try to even the playing field. Didn’t see it anywhere but again y’all just like conversations that make you comfortable while you discredit people who challenge the norm. Ridiculous ? So glad you used that word because that’s exactly what black face does- ridicule the tone of skin of a certain race! Just proving my point! I surely was ridiculous enough to secure a interview just like you right? The nerve. Dismissed. Next. Like I said I hope to never see you around. ✌🏾

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1 hour ago, 1234PA1994 said:

Thank you for listening. If it helps one student made a more educated decision on this very important choice then it is worth the ridicule. Even speaking out anonymously isn’t exactly comfortable, but I personally feel that if I can’t even do something like this, how am I going to actually have the willpower to stand up and make an ethical or moral decision on behalf of a patient when it really counts? Often doing the right thing is difficult, and I think its because during these circumstances you are usually pushing against long standing preexisting paradigms that many perceive as “normal” or “right”. This even applies to the blackface incident. It is hard to believe that this was not discussed back in 1984 amongst any of the faculty or students, or their families. I find that impossible to believe, but that is what we have all been told to believe by current faculty and staff. To be fair, the current president did hold a lot of meetings with students and media to discuss this, but things would improve with adding diversity of color and actually diverse backgrounds to the faculty at EVMS. That could have a more systemic effect than just trying to recruit more students of color. 

And this was my point EXACTLY! I can tell by the responses on this forum there is a lack of diversity among applicants. Saw it at the interview as well and in the students who volunteered their time! This one track thinking on this forum. You said NOTHING disparaging about the program but because you didn’t give a 10/10 review of the school you attend you were attacked for stating your truth and experience. Then told by a current student to reveal your identity! Wow. Guess they wanted to further lynch you. I want to attend a school where diversity is celebrated- whether it’s train of thought or skin color or cultural! Great the president addressed it but that explanation- laughable. Again, thank you for your transparency and honesty! I hope people really ask questions for themselves and decide. I know I now will. 

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8 hours ago, SecondCareerPrePA said:

This thread is for applicants at the end of a cycle.  That is, they've applied, interviewed, and 90% have already received their rejection letters.  There's 80 who have been extended acceptance offers, and a handful that are still waiting to hear about open seats and the wait list.  That handful of us are here to support each other.  We are all in that boat together, and any one of us could get a call tomorrow that there is a seat available.  None of us are "going into the application process".

A great deal of us did our homework to make this decision.

I've been living down Colley from EVMS for ten years.  I work at Norfolk General.  My primary care provider at Hague Medical is an EVMS PA (c/o 2017), the PA that I shadowed with Sentara Orthopaedic is an EVMS PA (c/o 2016), a former coworker who worked in our OR was c/o 2019, my neighbor is c/o 2020.  They advised me through this whole process and they have all been where you are today.  The "drinking water from a firehose" analogy was used by each, but they all also said "it's doable" and "you can handle it".  That includes you.

Those upcoming changes you mention are the alignment of pathophys with anatomy during first year, so that systems are being taught at the same time.  It will be immensely helpful to the incoming class to have such a change.  The faculty cares about making sure MPA students get through the program.  If you haven't reached out to them about your concerns, you should.  Even though I only interviewed with a couple, there are some very approachable and down-to-earth faculty that care about the success of their students.

If you're class of 2021, you know the two women who gave me a tour at the beginning of July.  They were super helpful and honest actually.  When you get to your rotations, you might finally feel like it was all worth it, but clearly right now, you are deep in the thick of it.  You may even be thankful that you chose a school that can connect you to rotations instead of leaving you to fend for yourself like some programs do.  You also have a faculty deeply concerned about how changes to the PANCE are affecting first-time pass rates, nationally, and I trust that you will get some great support to pass your PANCE due to those changes.

There are so many schools and so many programs to choose from, but "cast a wide net" doesn't suit everyone in this thread.  Some of us want to go to EVMS, and we are well-educated as to why someone would want to go there and why someone else would not.  Since you did not share any specifics about your own personal pros and cons, it's definitely venting, because it isn't serving any of us as much as it is serving you.

You are making a lot of assumptions in your comment here. You are assuming that surely I just must have been stressed out with the work-load and therefore I am motivated to comment on here by what, revenge? I’ve done very well in school and any added stress to my life had nothing to do with the workload or amount of information. If a student was motivated enough, they could get through the lecture portion in 1 year. How do you know if the faculty are deeply concerned about students if you yourself are not a student and haven’t experienced difficulty while in school here? Sure, you could hear second hand from someone you know, but it’s not the same. I just don’t know how you feel you can or should make that king of blanket statement. Some teachers are great and more helpful and genuine than others, but until you have been through the program how is it that you think you can make such a comment? How can you make such assumptions about how clinicals are more organized than other programs without having experienced it here? I feel you are pretty condescending in your statement offering me, a current student who has done well in my studies, advice on how to get through school. My advice to you, don’t make assumptions about things your don’t know and when you do have life experiences be honest with yourself and others around you regarding those experiences. That is the only way you will grow. Good luck!    

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1 hour ago, FeelTheMusicPA said:

And this was my point EXACTLY! I can tell by the responses on this forum there is a lack of diversity among applicants. Saw it at the interview as well and in the students who volunteered their time! This one track thinking on this forum. You said NOTHING disparaging about the program but because you didn’t give a 10/10 review of the school you attend you were attacked for stating your truth and experience. Then told by a current student to reveal your identity! Wow. Guess they wanted to further lynch you. I want to attend a school where diversity is celebrated- whether it’s train of thought or skin color or cultural! Great the president addressed it but that explanation- laughable. Again, thank you for your transparency and honesty! I hope people really ask questions for themselves and decide. I know I now will. 

The school prioritizes the appearance of diversity over the actual real changes needed to diversify its’ student body. The school spent I-don’t-know-how-much money to bring in an investigator to spend months finding out that they couldn’t find out who was in the picture. What a waste. All the while there was not a single instance of training in the classroom about these issues. Still the videos of the white coat ceremonies will be edited to make the class look much more diverse than it actually is. Keep critical thinking alive. If you just accept things as they are and tell everyone it’s all “great” and “fantastic” how would real change ever occur? If the only people who complained about problems were those who failed, everyone would just write them off as disgruntled. It’s even more interesting how those who haven’t made it in this program will try to belittle or reduce me to someone who is a failure. I think it is more necessary for people who have been successful despite the problems they see to speak up and try to make a change. There are a lot of challenges in healthcare, and its not going to be the “smooth sailing” that people think its going to be. I love this career, but I want to be an agent for positive change. If that takes popping a few bubbles then so be it.   

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