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I unfortunately agree...I hate degree creep and hate that we have to make it sound like we are on a level playing field as an MD/DO (not that we are bad or worse in some way, but you can't argue the difference in education/experience), but it's join the crowd or get left behind - and that's already happening.

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We don't need a doctorate.

The median annual Physical Therapist salary in Pittsfield, MA is $84,369, as of March 01, 2018, with a range usually between $77,717-$91,550 not including bonus and benefit information and other factors that impact base pay (https://www1.salary.com/MA/Pittsfield/Physical-Therapist-salary.html)

The median annual Physician Assistant - Medical salary in Pittsfield, MA is $103,795, as of March 01, 2018, with a range usually between $95,542-$114,432 not including bonus and benefit information and other factors that impact base pay. (https://www1.salary.com/MA/Pittsfield/Physician-Assistant-Medical-salary.html)

We make $18-$23,000 more than PTs without paying for the Doctorate.

 

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I don't think the DPT degree in particular has resulted in significant increase in practice rights as far as I know.  

One of my friends is a PT and considering the school debt they have vs earnings they can command, the DPT degree is probably the worst deal in healthcare.  Which sucks because it's such an important field.

I would just be careful about extra years of debt without an increase in responsibilities or pay. 

What about something like if you complete a formal residency that is at least 12 months, which would include a certain amount of didactics (amount and type of clinical and didactic experience would be regulated in some fashion by the PA board to ensure quality and consistency) you would get some sort of a clinical doctorate (Doctor of Medical Science or Doctor of Clincial Practice etc)?  That way you're getting 1) paid 2) not increasing your debt 3) learning something USEFUL instead of fluff classes 4) each person can specialize in the field they want and 5) the degree remains optional yet there is a clear and structured path for those that wish to pursue it. 

I'm not a PA so that's just me looking in from the outside.

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1 hour ago, lkth487 said:

 

What about something like if you complete a formal residency that is at least 12 months, which would include a certain amount of didactics (amount and type of clinical and didactic experience would be regulated in some fashion by the PA board to ensure quality and consistency) you would get some sort of a clinical doctorate (Doctor of Medical Science or Doctor of Clincial Practice etc)?  That way you're getting 1) paid 2) not increasing your debt 3) learning something USEFUL instead of fluff classes and 4) each person can specialize in the field they want 5) the degree remains optional yet there is a clear and structured path for those that wish to pursue it. 

I'm hoping to spearhead this after finishing my residency and completing my DMS.

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9 hours ago, Boatswain2PA said:

We don't need a doctorate.

The median annual Physical Therapist salary in Pittsfield, MA is $84,369, as of March 01, 2018, with a range usually between $77,717-$91,550 not including bonus and benefit information and other factors that impact base pay (https://www1.salary.com/MA/Pittsfield/Physical-Therapist-salary.html)

The median annual Physician Assistant - Medical salary in Pittsfield, MA is $103,795, as of March 01, 2018, with a range usually between $95,542-$114,432 not including bonus and benefit information and other factors that impact base pay. (https://www1.salary.com/MA/Pittsfield/Physician-Assistant-Medical-salary.html)

We make $18-$23,000 more than PTs without paying for the Doctorate.

Totally agree with you: and this is coming from a physical therapist.

PA degree is a great bang for your buck, definitely more so than PT. PT is a phenomenal field with extremely high job satisfaction ratings, but the debt is high relative to the salary. There is good money in it, but I am not interested in home health and some of these skilled nursing facilities.

For the record, I would say 95%+ of PTs do not call themselves doctors to patients. We call ourselves by our first name, and if they continue to call us doctor, then we let it be. If it's an academic setting some students will call the PTs doctor, but that's very different.

 

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The fact that always gets missed

 

is the big picture - laws, regulations and guidelines

 

Heck we lost out on the HITECH funds simply due to our name "assistants must be under the doc"

We are slowly loosing ground to NP's

We always have the uphill battle to get non-medical folks to understand our roll

 

Simply changing our name and be doctorate level and then let AAPA steamroll legislative changes....

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agree with above. the big picture is important. if you knew nothing else as a patient or HR staff, who would you feel more confident in:

a practitioner with a doctorate (DNP)

an assistant with a masters (PA)

the only group of patients who really consistently understand what PAs do are military/ex-military folks.

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5 hours ago, EMEDPA said:

agree with above. the big picture is important. if you knew nothing else as a patient or HR staff, who would you feel more confident in:

a practitioner with a doctorate (DNP)

an assistant with a masters (PA)

the only group of patients who really consistently understand what PAs do are military/ex-military folks.

And even they don’t get it a lot of the time because we are so independent in the military they have no idea your a PA or don’t care to remember. You’re just doc.

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15 hours ago, LT_Oneal_PAC said:

And even they don’t get it a lot of the time because we are so independent in the military they have no idea your a PA or don’t care to remember. You’re just doc.

Yep, grew up seeing PA's and never even knew.  Father is a retired military MD now in private practice and was pretty funny as I was starting the process of working towards PA school and learned I had been seen by dozens of PAs growing up.

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1 hour ago, delco714 said:
On 3/16/2018 at 4:29 PM, ventana said:
So when the PT (whom is a regular out patient PT) runs add like this...... well it shows that the Dr debate is over....  time to jump on the bandwagon.... 
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Does he Need PT,DPT after his name ? Wtf

Actually can be 2 separate degrees     the old PT whom goes back to get the DPT.....  but yeah sort of duplicate... 

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4 hours ago, LKPAC said:

Am I the only one who thinks it's not appropriate for PTs to hold themselves out as "doctors" and "specialists."  Seems like trying to imply something more.  l

But the horse has left the barn.    We are late to the party and being left behind.  

 

I do do believe there should be a reserved term for physicians.    Maybe physicians!!

 

but doctor is not a Physician exclusive term.  It is a degree.   

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