NYCPAC Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Hiii!! I work for a HUGE academic hospital on the west coast. I don’t hold academic affiliation but some of my attendings do. They staff other local community ICUs all of which have their own medical directors, some who i know and some i don’t. One particular medical director reached out to me to see if I would be willing to moonlight in his ICU asap as their FT PA is out on a surgical leave and wants me to start ASAP. It’s a smaller community type of ICU that has a much lower acuity than what i am used to but i very much welcome that aspect. They are begging me to start ASAP because they’re so short but their offer in terms of hourly rate is crap. It’s less than I make at my FT job by $10/hr. Is this a terrible sign? Should I negotiate or walk (i don’t need this job but extra money is never bad)? What’s the average hourly rate for per diem in an ICU for someone with 5yrs experience? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgriffiths Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Can't give much specific info regarding ICU per diem, but personally I would take my normal hourly rate and respond with at least 1.5x that, but if they are truly desperate then maybe even 2x. That is the going rate for physicians, and they would be getting a steal for a PA with experience - especially in a pinch such as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anewconvert Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I would come back to them and say “this isn’t even what I make at my full time job with benefits... given the short notice and the effect this will have on my personal life I’d need something closer to 1.5x my current FT rate” and see if they move at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediMike Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I agree, think it's fair to expect ~30% on top of your current hourly wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCPAC Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 Wow I was stingy with myself then! I countered with $10 more than hr than I make and they said it was too high! Glad I walked away from it because they’re def not going to get someone with experience for that rate! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted March 14, 2018 Moderator Share Posted March 14, 2018 When they are chasing you aim for the sky I love to point out what a doc doing the same job would make..... and what you generate in income.... Take it or leave it is the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCPAC Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 Ahh they just came back and agreed to my counter offer at $73/hr. It’s one shift a week and will likely cover my monthly student loan expenses. Wishing I had asked for more now (am I being greedy?) would you guys accept this offer? They want me to start ASAP. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted March 15, 2018 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2018 I recently was asked to pick a rate for a new job and picked a rate $5 higher than I thought they would give me as it is just $5 below the doc rate...and they gave it to me :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgriffiths Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 If they are meeting what I requested then I would accept, especially as this is part-time and short term. Take the money and use this as a learning opportunity for next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anewconvert Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 7:05 PM, NYCPAC said: Ahh they just came back and agreed to my counter offer at $73/hr. It’s one shift a week and will likely cover my monthly student loan expenses. Wishing I had asked for more now (am I being greedy?) would you guys accept this offer? They want me to start ASAP. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk At this point it serves your purposes. On the next gig you will have more experience and leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediMike Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 And so much of it is relative...I currently work in an academic medical center where we get paid "doc pay" for picking up ad hoc shifts or nocturnist shifts, $125/hr and $150/hr respectively, sometimes more depending on their desperation. I just went half time to allow myself the opportunity to branch out clinically (a faculty we have a hidden noncompete clause) and was super sad by the per diem rates I've run across haha :) Still, haven't settled for <30% on top of my current hourly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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