camoman1234 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boatswain2PA said: Fortunately for those of us who like Rural America better than Urban America, we get the benefit of not only greater pay but also much lower COL. We just bought 75 acres of stunning land for $135K. Gonna build a $300K dream house on it. That house, with this land, in places along the coast would be worth many millions. $1,800/acre is good. A $300K home where I live is HUGE (a new 4 bed, 4 bath, fully brick,4,300 sq/ft, 0.5 acres for $294K). Land around us goes from $1,300-$1,800/acre. There is a plot of land about 10 mins from my clinic that is 485 acres going for $600K, mostly for hunting, has several barns and living quarters. These are my dreams as well, low COL, rural setting, average to about average pay. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electric130 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 We have definately had the advantage of geographic arbitrage. Above average pay on my end, husband is a Major in the Air National Guard with 15 years time in service. LCOL area, bought custom built brick home (2300 sq ft) on 1 acre for 280k. Have been at a practice in an outlying rural area, about an hour from the "popular" areas where we live. Have taken advantage of this by living in very nice area with low cost of living but working in a less desirable area. I agree that comparing a salary in different geographic areas is not the best comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Boatswain2PA said: Fortunately for those of us who like Rural America better than Urban America, we get the benefit of not only greater pay but also much lower COL. We just bought 75 acres of stunning land for $135K. Gonna build a $300K dream house on it. That house, with this land, in places along the coast would be worth many millions. I think you mentioned this before, but what state are you in again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Cideous said: I think you mentioned this before, but what state are you in again? I didn't, internet anonymity is important to me, and I'm in a pretty low-population state. I'm in a similar geographic area as you though (if I'm remembering correctly that you are in Texas). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Yup, I am in Texas. Ok I get it. Not trying to show up at your front door lol. I was heading towards making a point about weather. Most rural jobs are in places with really crummy weather and weather plays a massive role in the price of land/houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I would've made more this month but my jackwagon employer is using 2017 withholding tax tables instead of the new 2018 tables. They somehow paid me a week earlier as well for reasons unknown. I wonder if it would do any good to complain since it seems like anyone can call US and bitch about their care. Now I have to go buy cheap gut rot instead of the more tasty, and expensive, gut rot. You guys can find me in Texas easy enough since I'm in the old motorhome parked in the drive and I'll probably be outside in my winter earflap hat and my open bathrobe dispensing of my vehicle black water in the city sewer system chewing on a lit cigar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Yeah, I feel like $150k is a pipe dream for most FP PAs. Urgent care maybe if you really put in the hours. I work at a place that pays "around" that at 32 hours a week and about 160k-170k for 40h/week in FP. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinejiujitsu Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 180 hrs a month, around $230k. ERSent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 5 hours ago, GetMeOuttaThisMess said: I'll probably be outside in my winter earflap hat and my open bathrobe dispensing of my vehicle black water in the city sewer system chewing on a lit cigar. Merry Christmas! Meister Brau = breakfast of champions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 hours ago, south said: Merry Christmas! Meister Brau = breakfast of champions Now if I can only keep my dog from eating the trash because I'm not making enough. Maybe Clark can help with my expenses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted January 21, 2018 Moderator Share Posted January 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Joelseff said: I work at a place that pays "around" that at 36 hours a week and about 160k-170k for 40h/week in FP. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk you are in a "desirable" location in CA if I remember correctly, yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 you are in a "desirable" location in CA if I remember correctly, yes?Bay area yes... Desirable? That's subjective lol Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 What this thread shows is just how much variance there is in cost of living. In my neck of the woods, $100K for FM is doing pretty well I imagine. That’s why I can’t believe what they pay me for snot/cough only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinejiujitsu Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 What this thread shows is just how much variance there is in cost of living. In my neck of the woods, $100K for FM is doing pretty well I imagine. That’s why I can’t believe what they pay me for snot/cough only.Yep, I live in Northern California where it costs a million dollars for the average house in not a well to do area. Not kidding. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, Marinejiujitsu said: Yep, I live in Northern California where it costs a million dollars for the average house in not a well to do area. Not kidding. North of Napa Valley/Petaluma area? Or that area south? I was stationed in Crescent city almost 30 years ago, absolutely beautiful area there. Also did two tours a little "over the border" to the north as well. 1 hour ago, Joelseff said: Bay area yes... Desirable? That's subjective lol I lived on Yerba Buena Island for about a year, then moved to Alameda, but that was before the NAS closed down and Alameda was (relatively) safe. Would only live in that area again if I were a Billionnaire. That being said, wife and I want to go for a visit soon! 13 hours ago, Cideous said: Most rural jobs are in places with really crummy weather and weather plays a massive role in the price of land/houses. I like the 4 seasons. Hot in summer, Cold in winter, with long spring/fall. I don't think it's the weather that plays that much of a role. New England only has beautiful weather 3 months of the year, yet is uber-expensive. San Fran rarely has great weather, yet also uber-expensive. Seattle rains allllllll the time, yet expensive. SoCal...yes, great weather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeBuyAndSellJunk Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Would love to see the range expanded downward a bit. I think there are a lot of new grads stepping in to medicine in the high 70s. While I think this poll/board is skewed towards a relatively active, successful, affluent crowd and cost of living does make a difference, it definitely makes me step back and re-assess my own salary. Loan repayment options are done and they still want to pay me in the lowest paid group above to do the FP and urgent care combo for a community health population (i.e. complex population). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I like the 4 seasons. Hot in summer, Cold in winter, with long spring/fall. I don't think it's the weather that plays that much of a role. New England only has beautiful weather 3 months of the year, yet is uber-expensive. San Fran rarely has great weather, yet also uber-expensive. Seattle rains allllllll the time, yet expensive. SoCal...yes, great weather. I think that it’s all about the H2O proximity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annika Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 1/18/2018 at 1:03 PM, Cideous said: I make $70/hr, corporate urgent care. Craptastic benefits. Like reeeeeeealy bad. Welcome to Texas. God, me too. I make SO much less than this- And I am in EM........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACJD Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 9 hours ago, printer2100 said: Would love to see the range expanded downward a bit. I think there are a lot of new grads stepping in to medicine in the high 70s. While I think this poll/board is skewed towards a relatively active, successful, affluent crowd and cost of living does make a difference, it definitely makes me step back and re-assess my own salary. Loan repayment options are done and they still want to pay me in the lowest paid group above to do the FP and urgent care combo for a community health population (i.e. complex population). hmm... from those I have been talking to it seems a lot of the new grads are starting in the 100-115 range. Again COL plays a role, but even my colleagues in saturated cities say that their new grads are making 6 figs.. Would have loved that when i first started out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA-SGuy Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Quick question- for those of you who are bilingual, how much additional money did you ask for during contract talks? I've been told by docs and other PAs 5k is a good number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbeTheBabe Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 6 hours ago, PA-SGuy said: Quick question- for those of you who are bilingual, how much additional money did you ask for during contract talks? I've been told by docs and other PAs 5k is a good number? Might help get you the job but I don't know that it would command a higher salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal_PA Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/21/2018 at 7:15 AM, printer2100 said: Would love to see the range expanded downward a bit. I think there are a lot of new grads stepping in to medicine in the high 70s. While I think this poll/board is skewed towards a relatively active, successful, affluent crowd and cost of living does make a difference, it definitely makes me step back and re-assess my own salary. Loan repayment options are done and they still want to pay me in the lowest paid group above to do the FP and urgent care combo for a community health population (i.e. complex population). High 70s shouldn't ever be considered. Maybe 90s with loan repayment of great bonus structure would be ok, but 70s or 80s? No Let's not do this profession a disservice 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeBuyAndSellJunk Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Easy to say that, but it is the reality in many regions of the country. Just wanting to see a more valid poll, but I can’t complain. It isn’t as if this is scientific data. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas5814 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/17/2018 at 2:44 PM, BruceBanner said: Id like to see it broken down by specialty/job. I doubt many UC/FP PAs are making >151k. My base salary based on 40hr/week is 154k. I get 1.5x for OT which is usually a few hours a week on a routine week and can be 12 to 14 during peak times like now. 240 hours PTO and the usual insurances. 5 days CME. I work in UC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA-C Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/21/2018 at 9:15 AM, printer2100 said: Would love to see the range expanded downward a bit. I think there are a lot of new grads stepping in to medicine in the high 70s. While I think this poll/board is skewed towards a relatively active, successful, affluent crowd and cost of living does make a difference, it definitely makes me step back and re-assess my own salary. Loan repayment options are done and they still want to pay me in the lowest paid group above to do the FP and urgent care combo for a community health population (i.e. complex population). Loan repayment may sweeten the deal if the salary is low, depending on how much loan $$ you get. However if the loan repayment part of it is finished and they still want to offer a low salary that’s something to reconsider... I don’t think there are as many new grads as you might think coming in with low salaries. My classmates and I are new grads (practicing for about 9 months) and none of us started below 90k. A few are working in internal med and other primary care specialties making 100k - 110k this first year out (granted, none of them are practicing at CHCs). We are all practicing within ~30 miles of different major metro areas in the Midwest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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