jmj11 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Lincoln U has proposed a new role for PAs in Washington (as they have in other states) for doctorate of medicine. See: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AjdlNM7HXhw8plvqpIcMLtspn97F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 This is great news. The Tennessee bill is still pending approval and I thought they were the only state pursuing this. I hope California gets in on it too. Any updates or further info? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primadonna22274 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 This is interesting. Semantics, though: Doctorate of Medical Science (DMS), not Doctorate of Medicine. The distinction is important because the training is different. I will watch this with interest.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted August 21, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 21, 2017 Honestly I don't see this taking off. Would it only be grads of the LMU program? what about Lynchburg? what about DPAS at Mass college of pharm? what about faculty at DMSc programs who are PAs with other doctorates? could MDs without residency practice as DMScs? How about we fix PA practice first before trying to reinvent the wheel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktheshark89 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Yeah I don't like the verbage of a specific degree (DMS) - should be any clinical doctorate for PAs in my opinion, nor do i like the 2 year degree requirement - which basically limits this to only graduates of LMUs program - not lynchburg, mcphs, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primadonna22274 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Yeah I don't like the verbage of a specific degree (DMS) - should be any clinical doctorate for PAs in my opinion, nor do i like the 2 year degree requirement - which basically limits this to only graduates of LMUs program - not lynchburg, mcphs, etcThe way I read the proposal, it's specifically designed to be exclusive. Likely whoever wrote it has a vested interest in this--it makes some shred of sense to me that the proposal is intended to extend independence to PAs who have completed advanced clinical training, unlike a DHSc. The sticky wicket here is what about all those highly trained residency grads who have loads of experience but only a certificate to show for it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted August 21, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 21, 2017 yup and what about folks with other doctorates that cover all the non-clinical portions of the DMSc curriculum? would they have DHSc to DMSc bridge programs for example? This is only for primary care at this point. If this were to pass and they developed a 2nd pathway for EM(the site says they are exploring other specialties) I might get myself a 2nd doctorate...at this point I would only do this program for the following reasons: 1. I only wanted to practice primary care 2. legislation passed (not proposed) in at least 1 state in which I would consider living that granted independence to those who completed the program I'm sure the folks in the program now are learning great new stuff, but if no state passes legislation granting new rights this program has less value than a residency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 ...at this point I would only do this program for the following reasons: 1. I only wanted to practice primary care 2. legislation passed (not proposed) in at least 1 state in which I would consider living that granted independence to those who completed the program I'm sure the folks in the program now are learning great new stuff, but if no state passes legislation granting new rights this program has less value than a residency. These are the exact reasons I would do this... And if it passes in California lol As Lisa stated I think the exclusivity is intentional since this is creating a "new" provider... Once a PA becomes a DMS, they are no longer a PA but a DMS. The would need to show, or at least appear to show, that the education and training has bridged the PA to physician level practice...i know a lot of you guys are against it but I see the positives in that it allows a pathway that is more like the "bridge" some of us have envisioned or endorse. I ain't saying it's the right way (this remains to be seen) but I can't help but support measures taken to remove, or at least elevate, our glass ceiling. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted August 22, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2017 Should be open to more folks than just the grads of this single program though. maybe the following: PAs who posses: a health related doctorate (DrPH, DHSc, PharmD, DPT, etc) + a residency or 5-10 years practice in a single (non-surgical) specialty with passage of an exam covering the breadth of that specialty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted August 30, 2017 Administrator Share Posted August 30, 2017 Anyone else see WAPA's take on it? They opposed it, saying that any such providers should be brought under the PA practice act, as creating a whole new profession for NO ONE would violate the rules on when to create a new profession... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted August 30, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 30, 2017 11 hours ago, rev ronin said: Anyone else see WAPA's take on it? They opposed it, saying that any such providers should be brought under the PA practice act, as creating a whole new profession for NO ONE would violate the rules on when to create a new profession... I have to agree with their stance. we should be going for FPAR/OTP for all PAs, not special rights for potential grads of one program in another state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 8/29/2017 at 10:30 PM, rev ronin said: Anyone else see WAPA's take on it? They opposed it, saying that any such providers should be brought under the PA practice act, as creating a whole new profession for NO ONE would violate the rules on when to create a new profession... You got a link? I couldn't find info on it. EDIT: Nevermind, I found it: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjlquPNl_jWAhXnwFQKHQc5DGwQFggoMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wapa.com%2Fassets%2Fdocuments%2Feblast%2F03%20doh%20letter%20regarding%20the%20dms%20sunrise%20review%20wapa%20080817.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2jBfIjXvCfZxeVdtJEU5s6 And as I read it, the argument is kind of weak. First they state a DMS can be unregulated because they would be at a minimum, 5 year practicing as a PA but then a few paragraphs down they argue that this sets a dangerous precedent for other health professions...Whatever...Then the cost issue was brought up. If costs will make this unsustainable then why oppose it and just let it die? At least don't block the avenue for PAs who want more out of their career. The theme of the response from WAPA, IMO, is self preservationist in nature because, I will agree, that the DMS would fleece the PA flock to some degree. I still don't get the hooplah though. I still see it as a GOOD thing for PAs but who the hell am I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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