Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2017 just an FYI to those folks out there who are residency grads: The new DMSc program at Lynchburg will waive the clinical requirements for those folks who have completed a recognized residency program. That means one can complete the program in 1 year while working full time without relocating or changing jobs at a very reasonable tuition rate...something to consider. The first class has already been selected. Currently it is looking like at least 2 start dates/year. (disclaimer: I am part time faculty). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted May 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2017 Any word on the accreditation? Been waiting to hear about it for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 19, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2017 It's now accredited. will be on the website soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicinePower Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 What will the DMSc degree provide that can justify its cost and time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 19, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2017 What will the DMSc degree provide that can justify its cost and time? A way to compete on equal ground vs a DNP A legitimate doctorate that may lead to better academic advancement, tenure, etc for those working in education additional clinical training in a specialty for those who don't already have a residency higher pay scales if you work for the govt in any capacity a better understanding of global health, disaster medicine, research methodology, etc bragging rights :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicinePower Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 A way to compete on equal ground vs a DNP A legitimate doctorate that may lead to better academic advancement, tenure, etc for those working in education additional clinical training in a specialty for those who don't already have a residency higher pay scales if you work for the govt in any capacity a better understanding of global health, disaster medicine, research methodology, etc bragging rights :) I don't accept the marketing argument to be on par with DNPs as sufficiently valid tho I do understand why. I dislike how it's the first reason. A legitimate doctorate is a valid reason for those criteria you specified. Global health, disaster med, research methods, etc can be done through an MPH. Bragging rights, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 19, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2017 an MPH gets you a few courses in an emphasis(like 3-4). I had 11 global health specific courses in my doctorate and spent over a year on my applied research project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newton9686 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I don't accept the marketing argument to be on par with DNPs as sufficiently valid tho I do understand why. I dislike how it's the first reason. A legitimate doctorate is a valid reason for those criteria you specified. Global health, disaster med, research methods, etc can be done through an MPH. Bragging rights, LOL. Public perception is valuable. And if society wants their providers to have doctorates and sees PAs of lesser providers than NPs for that reason, we as a profession should respond. Additionally the benefits EMEDPA provided were valid reasons for those looking at careers in government, academics and global health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpackelly Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Thanks for the info EMDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMD16 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Thanks E for the update. I will encourage every PA to pursue the DMSc. This is sweet deal! It put us at equal footing with DNP. Those of us that have been practicing for >7years will understand what I meant here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCHW9076 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 This is really cool. Commenting to follow thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treejay Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 what's the cost ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 22, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted May 22, 2017 around $23,500 for the full program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 $23,500 for the full program. Plus how many hours of work at $80/hr (??) What does the cost-benefit analysis run out as?So you could go into PA education at $35/hour? So you could volunteer as a Global Health Specialist?? So you could call yourself a "Doctor"???What are the benefits again??Sorry E...not busting your balls. Mad respect for you, but.....???The downfall of the DNP (and it SHOULD fall) is that it's a way for academia to make an extra $20-$100K/ student for providing nothing more than an opportunity for said student to write another paper that nobody will read.PA residencies can have their place....IF they are teaching PAs to practice MEDICINE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 22, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted May 22, 2017 I directed this thread towards folks who already have a residency done so they will not miss any work. There are markets where PAs are head to head in competition with NPs and HR folks who only understand highest degree WILL hire the NP because Doctorate>MS in their minds. this was shown to be prevalent in the survey the aapa did this year. we will have to go to a doctoral standard at some point because we are losing jobs. it isn't right, and yes, it's degree creep, etc, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 You are probably right, but I still hold SOME hope that the DNP will crash & burn, allowing us to remain Masters level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAS2014 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 EMEDPA: There appears to be a "distance" program available for those of us working in other parts of the country. Does this mean that one can do the clinical component elsewhere as well as the didactic component? Or would those students have the freedom to work and do the didactic portion elsewhere, then move to the Lynchburg area for the clinicals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 22, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted May 22, 2017 you can do clinicals in your home town if you can find an appropriate setting a preceptor. there is no requirement that you ever go to the LC campus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktheshark89 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Can the clinical component be completed at your place of Employment? What does it entail beyond regular clinical practice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAS2014 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Oh, I am intrigued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 22, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted May 22, 2017 the DNP is becoming the standard for NPs. I don't see it going away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted May 22, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted May 22, 2017 call the program to discuss requirement for clinical site. I don't know the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted May 22, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 22, 2017 You are probably right, but I still hold SOME hope that the DNP will crash & burn, allowing us to remain Masters level. That horse left the barn A LONG TIME AGO - and it is NOT coming back!!!! Now with the new AAPA resolution for Optiumum Team Practice we need to push hard to be viewed as full fledged providers, not some ancillary provider or after the fact invisible provider..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katera Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Welcome to degree creep front and center. Disappointing and disheartening.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newton9686 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 DNP is here to stay. We as a PA profession have to decide how long it will take for us to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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