Contrarian Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 Sean... Don't hold all that in... tell us what ya really thinkin..!!! DocNusum Btw Sean... you forgot! Dirty Nasty Leggggggg... on PROFILE the entire enlistment...:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croooz Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Come on guys he's asking a legitmate question. I don't understand why when well meaning slackers come on here and ask how they can get into PA school based on their grammar school science class, then want to skip the didactic, then only go to rotations which are high paying jobs on the outside, then get the PANCE waived, then walk into an ER or OR and become the Director...we have to be so hard on them. I mean I haven't even been accepted to a PA school but I don't see anything wrong with a well intentioned slacker who still lives at home with mom, and still hasn't gotten their degree even though the PA gave them time during the day to go to school........ NOTE: There is a little bit of sarcasm in the above post. Look closely. :rolleyes: What worse....this person might be serious. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek::eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOP Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 What worse....this person might be serious. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek::eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: I didn't even want to touch this one at first because I didn't want to bust the balls of someone who might be serious, but Crooz is right, all the more reason to bear down! If the guy (or gal) didn't learn to be an adult after 3 years in the Army/college, then they need a little prodding to break that nipple seal. I am assuming that "Legg" is Army lingo for malingerer? And "Profile" is some sort of permanent light duty status or Medical review board? You guys are really going to think that I am an idiot, but it never dawned on me that there would be people like this in the Marines! I believed the movies and the recruiting posters! What a dipstick. I thought they would eat thier own guts then ask for seconds, only to find that some could be imobilized by a splinter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surgpa7714 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I am assuming that "Legg" is Army lingo for malingerer? "Leg" is a NON-airborne soldier......airborne is, well, AIRBORNE! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 and a "Profile"... is a "chit" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOP Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 My Grandfather (Mom's Dad) was the first Green Beret Officer. I know some guy formed the unit who was a Colonel, but my Grandfather was a Major and sent to them as the Admin and logistics officer. He basically helped set the whole thing up. You can easily look this up, his name was Stanley Heath. If someone knows more about it, please let me know sicne I heard the story secondhand from my cousin who was at the funeral. He died while I was in Iraq so I was unable to attend his funeral. My wife went though. They read his orders assigning him to the unit, the FIRST set issued, his last duty. The SF had a big contingent at the funeral and it exceded anything I have seen or heard about for military funerals unless you were a general. I guess a lot of them remembered him or his name is on a plaque somewhere in SF memorabilia. He started in the Army as Horse cavalry. Chosen for his size (5' 2"), he was one of the first group of paratroopers. He fought in Africa, Europe, and Korea. He started as a private and retired a Major. He served 22 years. He seemed to spend a lot of time in Hawaii, Fort Benning (Mom was borne there), and North Carolina. I know he was in the 82nd, and that is about it. We didn't talk about what he did, those of you who know, would know that. And by the time I had met the quals for "war talk", he died. He did get a Bronze Star in Northern Africa. Being a horse soldier and getting commisioned on the battlefield is one thing, but not earning your commision by getting college degree is another. So in peacetime, he was terminal. (Read "About Face" David Hackworth). I read the "Airborne" thing and it made me think about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witchdoctor Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 MSgtLou, very interesting. You are correct, Colonel Aaron Bank was the “Father of Special Forces" but several people are credited. I will see what I can find out about your grandfather, Stanley Heath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOP Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 This is one of those cases where you never know soemthing till it is over. My Grandfather never discussed military stuff with me. Apparently, he didn't with the rest of my family either. It wasn't until his funeral that this came out. The SF guys put on the show for him. I think this was about May 2003. When my grandmother died in Jan(this year), I wne to Vegas for her funeral. I asked to see the orders since they had them, but since it wasn't convienient, I didn't press. My Mom was stressing out! I am sure someone who has access to reunion data or the like would know. I did a search and can't even find his obituarie. I only know about the 82nd because I saw a photo of him in full dress with the patches. I saw his pictures with the horse cavalry, and he told me about how he was selected as one of the first 30 or 36 people for parachute training. They looked for little guys initially, maybe because of weight, maybe because they knew they might be willing to prove something. I guess if he had been 6 inches taller, I wouldn't be here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 I guess if he had been 6 inches taller, I wouldn't be here! Or 6 inches shorter...!;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOP Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Or 6 inches shorter...!;) I was refering to little guy syndrome but that is probably true also!!! When we talked aout your posts earlier, does this fall under the "Insensitive" or "Alternate perspective" catagory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 "Alternate perspective" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whatmepa Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I’m very disappointed in some of the negative remarks referring to my military service and future plans to attend PA school. The only question asked of me; “What was your MOS...????” Who cares????? It was through advice from a PA to leave the military and attend school that motivated me to ask for your advice. I see that most of the people that gave negative comments are not even serving as active duty army PAs. Just because I wasn’t airborne doesn’t mean that I’m not tough. I hear a lot of hype about the 82nd airborne-sapper- medic. Well what about this???????? By Associated Press Mar 2, 2006 Army charges 7 paratroopers for sex acts on gay porn site 3 face courts-martial on charges of sodomy, prostitution while 4 will suffer non-judicial punishment such as rank reduction, restrictions. The Army charged seven paratroopers from the elite 82nd Airborne Division with engaging in sex in videos shown on a gay pornographic website. Three face courts-martial on charges of sodomy, pandering and engaging in sex for money, according to a statement released by the Army on Friday. Four others received non-judicial punishments, including reduction to the rank of private, being restricted to quarters and other penalties. And before you post negative comments remember that one day I may be the one performing your office-based anoscopy or proctoscopy when you presented with CC of acute minimal BRBPR when in actual fact you were partying with those 7 paratroopers after they were exonerated from all charges. So, any advice on the short PA programs out there? Please post advice not negative comments. I have a cutoff to meet. Quoted by a hero for civil rights; “Can’t we all get along?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff88881 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 The reason why they asked what your MOS was is to see if you at least trained in a medical specialty and worked as such during your active duty time. Every associate’s-level PA program I’ve encountered requires applicants to have lots and lots of health care experience practicing as a paramedic, RN, respiratory therapist, etc. This is in addition to having great grades in college, great recommendations from professors and clinicians, great essay(s), good extracurricular activities and impressing the PA program’s admissions committee during the face-to-face interviews. I’ve encountered plenty of PA program faculty members who themselves are proud veterans. With such a self-admitted lackluster performance in the military and, from what I gather, no degree, I really think you need to show any PA program you’re interested in that you’re keenly aware of how difficult it is to become a PA and that you have it within you the wherewithal to make it. To do this, you should go back to college and study to become one the above mentioned health care providers. Work awhile as a provider, do well at work and understand the differing roles in health care. From there, decide if you still want to be a PA. If so, do well in the prerequisites, network for recommendations at work, and try to earn a bachelor’s degree. Following this formula, you should be able to get into a PA program of your choice on the first try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whatmepa Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 To do this, you should go back to college and study to become one the above mentioned health care providers. Work awhile as a provider, do well at work and understand the differing roles in health care. From there, decide if you still want to be a PA. If so, do well in the prerequisites, network for recommendations at work, and try to earn a bachelor’s degree. Following this formula, you should be able to get into a PA program of your choice on the first try. jeff8881, Thank you for your advice. I will take what you said to heart. First positive piece of information I've read yet. I appreciate you taking the time to motivate me. I almost thought I was back in front of my Drill Sergeant. Do you remember me Msgtlou???????? I think you trained me at basic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pac4hire Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 i doubt it he was in the MARINES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JenGintheED Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Lou, I'd never asked (and should probably stop ASSuming ;) ).... you were at USMCRD-SD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Hi everyone,I just wanted to thank you all for your service. I did my 3 years in the army and got out. Never had to deploy. Thank god. I had a nice army PA that put me on a permanent profile so I could go to college during the day. It was a good deal. I want to be a PA but don't want to go to school for too long. I was looking at California. I saw that DOCNUSUM went to Stanford and attended the Primary Care Associate Program before he became a PA. How difficult is the associate program? I heard that the military PA Master's program is too difficult. They have 65% failure rate. Does anyone know of other 2-year associate programs to become a PA? Do you think my GI bill will cover all my school for the associate program? Do they help you pass the exams by giving a good review? Please help. My parents want me to get a job or go to school. I think being a PA would be a great profession. The cut off is October 1, 2006 to apply to Stanford. I salute all of you for defending our freedom. DUDE...!!! There are SO MANY things WRONG with this original post... that I don't know where to start... What I will say is... Since you spent 3 years in the military... you should NOT be still trying to please your parents...:rolleyes: I don't understand why you seem to be proud to admit that you abused the system by staying on a "permanent profile" for the entire enlistment "so you could go to college during the day"... while the rest of the soldiers were doing their job...:( You state that you want to be a PA... but "don't want to go to school for too long" and "heard that the military PA Master's program is too difficult" You want to be a PA so badly... that you haven't done enough research to know that PCAP IS a PA program...ALSO... The only question asked of me; “What was your MOS...????”Who cares????? You have the audacity to come here looking for help... and then when a legitimate question is asked of YOU... your response is "Who cares???"... WOW... :mad: (btw... I asked because the PCAP program is a "extensive experience" program... average prior experience of admitted students is/was ~ 10,000 hrs/8 years) Posting about Homosexual activity in the Military... demonstrates a lack of maturity... and a need for "character building" excercises!!! Last but not least... the following $hit is just plain STUPID...!!! Quoted by a hero for civil rights; “Can’t we all get along?” A$$hat... Rodney King was a CRACKHEAD...!!! He has done nothing for "civil rights"...:rolleyes: When he made that statement... he was trying to beat a case and trying not to go back to jail... You need to start by picking better "HEROs"... DocNusum Btw... GOOD LUCK!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOP Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 First of all, I am not going to comment on anything that the airborne guys said simply because they are grown men and entitled to their own opinions. However, I will say that you wrote some things that were by their very nature hard to swallow for someone like myself who spent a lifetime defending the Constitution. When someone tells me they are a Vet, they are given INSTANT CREDIBILITY, no matter what service, or MOS. They could be everything from a SEAL to some computer programer or the guy who works at photo lab. Everyones' job is important because we are a team. So while the running backs win the Hiesman, we know that they never could without the help of a left guard, center, or tackle. However, credibility is lost once certain aspects of military service are pointed out. The problem is, when someone joins the service of their OWN VOLITION, they are making a commitment to lay down their own life if need be for their fellow servicemember, nation or Constitution. That is just a given. But we are expected to make certain sacrifices day to day. Your post stated clearly that this was not the case. So when you wrote, "Never had to deploy. Thank god." I was thinking about how I was happy to deploy so that others didn't. Can you see the contrast? You can imagine how over a period of 21 years+, I saw people avoid deployments, even though someone else in the same MOS had to go in their place, even though they had just got off the most recent deployment. Can you see how that would instantly spark some animosity? You Wrote: "I had a nice army PA that put me on a permanent profile so I could go to college during the day. It was a good deal." I think that it was a "good deal" goes without saying. The only problem is that while you were attending college, advancing your stature in life, someone else was picking up the slack. Have you ever thought about the load that was created by your vacancy and how it was distributed and carried by the remaining members of your team? Do you see how that could instantly press the buttons of someone who went to work before the sun rose and came home after the sundown and eventually got out with no job skills that could translate to a civilian job? While you, if you played your cards right, could get a free expenses paid education, get out, and go to work at Microsoft? Please tell me how that is fair or honorable? You then ask about the absolute shortest route towards a proffesion that other men have spent a lifetime preparing for. Since most of the forum members that are vets are well into their 40's+, this statement reflects a presence of mind normally associated with an impatient "Me" generation person, not someone who is entering a field where sacrificial service is its very backbone. It is rather flippantly insulting. I will say that the rest of the crowd here is a lot harder than I. I have never asked why, but I am going to guess that while I languished under an ever increasing workload while some of my charges were seeking a disability check for life, they were the ones who actually had to evaluate people who only had subjective symptoms. So while I give the benefit of the doubt, I am guessing that they grew tired of it and are quick to whip out the "Hans Brinker" card. Lastly, you clearly stated that your parents are applying pressure to you to do something with your life. This is not necessarily evil in itself since all of our parents did it at one time or another. However, someone who has spent 3 years in the Armed Forces should not need this level of supervision. The implication is that you are living with them, draining their resources, and not advancing in maturity the way you should. Coupled wiht the previous statements, paints a very poor picture. So, I apologize that my words have offended you, however, you will see that my intent was noble and true. That is why I am explaining it to you. Maybe instead of getting angered by my prose, you could stop and reflect on it for a few minutes. Would you consider that there may be some veracity in them? I suspect that you were not trained by me. For one thing, I was in the Marines. For another, I spent three months trying to instill the intangible traits such as Duty, Honor, Loyalty, and self sacrifice into the young men who were groomed under my tutelage. I trained them to volunteer and think of their team first. From your post, I didn't get the impression that is how your mind operates, but I may be wrong. I ask your forgiveness if this is not the case. In answer to your questions, I would need to know what GI Bill you have. I have the Montgomery GI bill and I will get another $1,074 per month if I am full time. Since I was a VEAP conversion, I could not add the extra $600 kicker and get another whatever. If you have the kicker, or some GI College fund that the Army gives out, then you may be able to barely meet expenses at a JC. I am unsure of tuition at a Ca. JC, but I imagine that it is around $40 or so per unit. Fulltime at around 15 units would therefore cost about $600 per semester. Books seem to cost as much as the course, even used, so figure $100/ book, probably more so $500 for a semester, though high, is not unreasonable. Lab fees, lic fees, urine tests (if they require them), paper, computer network, etc add up. Gas, food, insurance, clothes, and other crap is what will eats up your money. So, if you live at home, then you just may be able to go to school full time on the GI Bill wihtout slaving it out at Burger World. In answer to your other question, yes, we all can get along. I hope that I was able to answer some of your questions and make you feel more welcome. Try to think of what you write and how it will be percieved by your audience. The veterans section is a very tough crowd and I stand in awe of most of them since the people who busted your balls are a lot harder than I ever will be. While they may think that they are better because they are stillborne, I just accept that they have a certian level of pride commensurate with their accomplishments. I know that a cook is as important to winning battles as a Bn commander. We all have/had important jobs to do. That is why my philosophy (as stated) about sacrifical teamwork is so important to me. PS. I would avoid saying anything that might allude to using your future proffesion as a source of vengance, as in, proctology. Many adcomm members read these posts and might not interpret that as humorous. I think one of the first things we learn is, "Do no harm", and though this is open to interpretation, an anascopy gone haywire is probably not one of the acceptable interpretations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Great reply Lou... I would like to point out that... We paratroopers don't think we are better than the rest of the "TEAM"... Which can be evidenced by the fact that we didn't start the craziness when other "non-airborne" veterans posted... That said... "POG REMFs" that post $hit like the above ask for our acrimony... DocNusum (POG REMFs = Person on the ground... Rear echelon Mother "F"ers) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOP Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 i doubt it he was in the MARINES! OOOOOOHHHHHH-RAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Thanks Sean! Got Maj. Wood from that! I see you even CAPITALIZED Marines! (while leaving your self reference, "i", lowercase.) Your display of respect and defense of my honor is noteworthy. LA, Yes, it was MCRD San Diego, historical landmark and birthplace of heros who eat their own guts and ask for seconds! I see that Doc has been at it while I was typing away, one finger at a time. Interesting to see his approach in comparison to mine. Doc, I see that you went for the "Alternate perspective" and "Insensetive" at the same time. Nice approach. Truth be told, when I was a youngster, I had my head so far up my a$$, I could tell you where Jimmy Hoffa was! So when I see a young man (or woman) make a few mistakes, I try to guide them along, as others did for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pac4hire Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 While they may think that they are better because they are stillborne, I just accept that they have a certian level of pride commensurate with their accomplishments. I know that a cook is as important to winning battles as a Bn commander. We all have/had important jobs to do. That is why my philosophy (as stated) about sacrifical teamwork is so important to me. AMEN except whats with the stillborne comment?????? i presume it was a joke you old devil dog! Its all a pride thing lou something that only fellow broehters and sisters that have sat at greenramp for 4 hours waiting to load a bird only to do racetracks around the DZ for hours because the DZSO didnt want to cancel the jump and cost the unit money for the fuel. VERY ARTICULATE and concise post lou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOP Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 AMEN except whats with the stillborne comment?????? i presume it was a joke you old devil dog! I was hoping some stillborne guy would pick up on that! Of course I was joking! My Grandpappy was one of the first. Intra MOS or Intraservice rivalry/pride is always a source of humor for me. Especialy when someone takes it seriously!!!! No Kidding, when I look at the faces of American youth, then watch different faces in uniform get on a plane and head for the armpit of the world, I nearly always ask myself, "Where do we find these people?", and it doesn't matter which branch to me. I love them all. And don't think you guys have the corner on "Hurry up and wait". I thought that the Marines had invented it till I went on my first cruise with the Navy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Things only a Paratrooper would under/overstand: PLF Clockwise around the chowhall Swing land trainer "Slip Away" On the first jump... the rigger at chute issue says, "Hey... If that one don't work... bring it back... we will give you another one"...!:eek: Greenramp "Squat & Hold" Why is it that you don't have to pee until AFTER JMPI...???:mad: "In-Flight Rigging"... ahggggh NAP of the earth... lots of DocNusum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pac4hire Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 ya know i have been at some posts where there are joint forces, we would fight like cats and dogs (really fighting) with marines, navy and AF. BUT let 1 non military person mess with any of us and the whole bar would be beating the snot out of them! I love the commraderie and see "blood wings/blood stripes, blood rank, and other HAZING activities" as esprit de corp and only build better stronger bonds between us. By the way do you know why marines wear there nametags on the back of their pants??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pac4hire Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Things only a Paratrooper would under/overstand: PLF Clockwise around the chowhall Swing land trainer "Slip Away" On the first jump... the rigger at chute issue says, "Hey... If that one don't work... bring it back... we will give you another one"...!:eek: Greenramp "Squat & Hold" Why is it that you don't have to pee until AFTER JMPI...???:mad: "In-Flight Rigging"... ahggggh NAP of the earth... lots of DocNusum you forgot SKYSHARK and CHERRY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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