I’m a PA with 11+ years of Ortho experience working in south Florida. I always had the impression that I’d be making 150k by the time I was 10 years out and find myself only making 120k at 11 years out ($123,600 at 12 years if I get my 3% raise in October).
My question to Ortho PA’s with 10+ years of experience practicing in south Florida is: what do you make? What are your hours? Do you work for a private practice or a hospital?
I’m wondering if working for a private practice is the way to make better money...
FYI- I work for a hospital physician group where all PA’s and surgeons are employees of the hospital. I work 40-45 hours each week with no call or weekends. Benefits include 22 days off for vaca/sick/CME in addition to 7 holidays; 403-b with matching up to a certain number; percentage of health insurance covered; short term disability; licensure and NCCPA dues covered.
My autonomy is limited. All the patients I see are during my doc’s office hours and are billed under the doctor’s credentials (my doc and I see around 6k patients per year). I am not able to see what my collections for surgery are.
I keep specifying south Florida because we have a lot of PA schools and we have a high transplant rate (People want to move here to work) so I suspect the new grads and transplants drive the market price for a PA down... not sure. Maybe I’m just working in the wrong place?
thanks to all for reading this far 😉
Does anyone have any experience with being compensated with RVU alone? Our physician staffing firm is contemplating straight RVU compensation.
We have been hourly since the beginning, but recently there has been a lot of talk about going to RVU w/o a base salary just like our supervising ED Docs.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
Any derm PA's out there who work at Kaiser, Sutter, CA Skin Institute, Berman, or other larger corporations? I'm working in private practice now and have a lot of flexibility with my schedule which is nice, but not the kind of benefits and salary I think I could potentially have at the other. Could you share your experience as far as schedule, salary and/or benefits? And, if you've worked both private and/or corporate, which do you prefer and why? Thank you!
I have been a PA for 9 years now (1yr cardiac sx, 4yrs EM, 4yrs ortho hand) and just took a new position about one year ago in a new specialty. I went from Hand surgery/upper extremity ortho to ENT. I have a good salary and when I started, the bonus structure was TBD as I am their first APP. My position is unique as they wanted a PA to help offload consults and hospital rounds in the afternoon so the on call physician doesn't get stuck doing everything after their day. I typically see patients in the morning and occasionally in the afternoon (only until about 230pm to allow for time to go to the various hospitals depending on what has come in for the day). Sometimes I am super busy in the afternoon and cannot get to everything (but I leave around 5pm, although, some weeks my days are longer, regardless) and other times there isn't much to do and I will help out one of the docs with their PM clinic or catch up on patient phone calls, notes, etc. LSome weeks I am bored in the afternoon but they want me to be 'available.' I help out in surgery, but rarely, despite 5yrs of OR experience. I was completely new to ENT, so, to some extent, I had to be taught a lot this past year, however, on the other hand, I have lots of experience with abscess drainage, hospital familiarity, etc, so, a lot of things did not have to be taught.
I just had my annual review and I have received pretty much all positive remarks. They are thrilled to have a PA and wonder why they didn't hire one sooner. They are a pretty old school private practice, so, a lot of the physicians don't prefer me to first assist them in the OR (they help each other out), which would be another way for me to make $$ for the practice. For this past year, they have given me a 5k bonus (I'm ok with that given my learning curve). I currently make 105k for 4.5d a week, plus $1800 cellphone reimbursement, laptop, and 4 weeks vacation. We discussed a bonus structure moving forward and I was asked what I thought was an appropriate bonus. I said 5-10% annually. I have my numbers, also, and in just 3 quarters, I have almost earned my salary and I am projected to pay for myself in charges with a full year of work, despite some afternoons not having much to do and having to train office staff that I am a provider and how to schedule me patients, etc. The issue is, they want to provide a bonus quarterly based on 'how they think I'm doing." There will be a low tier, middle tier, and high tier. They said most of the time, the expectation is that I will probably get middle tier $$ and usually only reach the highest tier if I seem to have an exceptional quarter. They also said putting in more face time with the physician partners in the office to 'help them out' in the afternoon when I'm not busy in a hospital can be a real boost. Some of our docs love it when I help and other docs don't seem to really want a PA in their office flow...they are used to doing everything themselves and it is awkward.
The issue is, I am not entirely comfortable with the idea of my bonus being based solely on subjective opinions of the partners. Some seasons are busier than others with the number of consults that come in and while I try to see everything that we get, sometimes I physically cannot make it to 4 different hospital facilities in an afternoon (for consults ranging from epistaxis management to abscess drainage to trach care). When I asked about a bonus based on productivity, however, they said they don't want to incentivize my office productivity because they care more about me being available to help out in the hospital to offset having to see consults after their main office day. I just have no control over the subjective opinions of the physicians and I also don't have control over what comes in from the hospitals. They are open to ideas, but, I don't have any.
Can anyone provide any sort of alternative bonus structure?
I have ~5 years of experience. This offer is from a big hospital with a well integrated PA practice, in a moderate cost-of-living area.
- Salary 125K.
- 12 hour shifts with 1:3 weekends and 1:4 nights. Required to work 2 federal holidays per year. Shift differential amounts to ~5K per year by my calculation.
- 403b with 2% match.
- Pension (!) vested at 3 years of service.
- Health insurance 80/20 until out of pocket max. Vision and dental through reimbursement account that is pretty generously funded, IMO. FSA and dependent care accounts available.
- 22 days PTO, includes sick time.
- 4K dedicated CME funds, plus 5 days CME time separate from PTO.
Unclear about malpractice coverage.
I'm pretty pleased with the offer since it's a step up from my current salary and the benefits seem good but I would welcome outside perspectives. This is the first time I've ever come across someplace still offering a pension, so I don't know how to look at that. The way the nights and weekends are structured seems like a lot of work but I don't know if it's worth arguing about with the salary being what it is. I was also told that a lot of the PAs in the group prefer weekends and nights and are often wanting to trade for them (no guarantees, of course).