Michaelcohn Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 So I was curious to know how your salary compares to the salary of the doctors that you work with? Do any of you know how much the docs your work with make, or is that something they would never share? From my understanding MDs/DOs can make as little as 1.5X as much to well over 5X as much as their PAs. Anyone care to share some anecdotes? Im just trying to get and idea of how many times the PAs salary most docs are earning. Also if you saw my previous thread heres my update: I'm probably just gonna go into a field that I'm actually interested (EM). Hopefully I can work my way up to 120k a year in a few years and start helping my parents out. I'm just not sure that trying to make 140k+, in the field I love (EM), is a realistic goal anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebecker Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 My base salary is 60% of what my SPs base salary is. Both of us bonus on what we earn for the group (we each get a % of the collections). He gets a percentage of what I make for us as well (though this ends up being only about $10k/year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelcohn Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 My base salary is 60% of what my SPs base salary is. Both of us bonus on what we earn for the group (we each get a % of the collections). He gets a percentage of what I make for us as well (though this ends up being only about $10k/year). 60% is amazing and probably the highest I've ever heard. Would you mind sharing what your actual salary is? No worries if you don't want to. Also how do you know its 60% of your SPs base? Did he tell you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMEDIC Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The ED PAs I work with tend to make around $50-60 / hour The ED Physicians I work with tend to make $200-250 / hr. Often moonlighting with shift bonuses from $1k to $2k depending of the desperation of the hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted December 19, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 19, 2015 yup similar with my group. some of the docs get ridiculous(like 3-5k/shift) bonuses to cover open shifts at one of my rural gigs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primadonna22274 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Haha I have a Sunday 12/27 (PA) shift in my ER desperate for holiday coverage that will pay me $150/hr. As I said they're desperate but it will be my very last PA shift of my career as I'm letting my PA license expire 12/31. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 ^^^^^^Sorry to see you go as a PA-C but happy for your DO license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted December 19, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 19, 2015 you can still call yourself a PA, just not a PA-C... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunnyn Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Is there a way to perhaps ask for more money....how does one negotiate better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moy505 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 yup similar with my group. some of the docs get ridiculous(like 3-5k/shift) bonuses to cover open shifts at one of my rural gigs.... Since you work in the field im interested in, could you list how many times more your SPs make than you at a few of your gigs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted December 19, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 19, 2015 main job pa 65/hr, er md 187/hr rural job 1 pa 70/hr, md 105/hr rural job 2 pa 65/hr, md 185/hr new rural job pa 80/hr, md unk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJK Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 main job pa 65/hr, er md 187/hr rural job 1 pa 70/hr, md 105/hr rural job 2 pa 65/hr, md 185/hr new rural job pa 80/hr, md unk One quick question on it.. If you are at the level of $65 to $70 right now, what happens a few years later regarding the salary? Do you expect to see a raise or continue as it is? Is this the ceiling discussed earlier in a different post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelcohn Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 main job pa 65/hr, er md 187/hr rural job 1 pa 70/hr, md 105/hr rural job 2 pa 65/hr, md 185/hr new rural job pa 80/hr, md unk Wow @ rural job #1! The docs dont make THAT much more than you. Did you actually ask the docs about these #s? Seems like that may be an awkward convo lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebecker Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The docs at my practice get a set salary of $100k, then production bonuses on what they take in. I have a base of $60k with the same bonus structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted December 20, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 20, 2015 One quick question on it.. If you are at the level of $65 to $70 right now, what happens a few years later regarding the salary? Do you expect to see a raise or continue as it is? Is this the ceiling discussed earlier in a different post? when I started at job 1 15 years ago it paid 34.50/hr + production and rural job 2 started me at 48/hr 8 years ago so I think gradual raises are to be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted December 20, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 20, 2015 Wow @ rural job #1! The docs dont make THAT much more than you. Did you actually ask the docs about these #s? Seems like that may be an awkward convo lol the docs there are fp, not em boarded. we do EXACTLY the same job as it is solo coverage, an em pa or an fp md. I heard those #s from the lead pa who has been there 20+ years. when he retires any day now I want his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelcohn Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 when he retires any day now I want his job. Whats the diff between his job and your job? Aren't you guys pretty much doing the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted December 20, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 20, 2015 Whats the diff between his job and your job? Aren't you guys pretty much doing the same thing? we do the same work , but he has guaranteed hours and gets full benefits. I am per diem without bennies and have no guarantee that I will get any shifts. the place has 1 full time PA and 4 per diem PAs plus a handful of FP docs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetNavyPAC Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 we do the same work , but he has guaranteed hours and gets full benefits. I am per diem without bennies and have no guarantee that I will get any shifts. the place has 1 full time PA and 4 per diem PAs plus a handful of FP docs. Still E - this raises a very uncomfortable point for your employer there - and any other places that do this. If you are doing the SAME job, under the SAME conditions (single/solo aka "by YOURSELF") , and the SAME times, and held to the SAME standard of care . . .why in the world shouldn't they pay you the SAME as that doc (whether FP or EM)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted December 21, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 21, 2015 Because docs always make more...because they are docs....we went to epic 4 months ago. "physician trainers" were paid 125/hr to do exactly the same thing as "staff trainers" (rn/pa/np) who were paid 40/hr. same training, same responsibilities. docs just think they are worth more and pay themselves accordingly.... why does an msn make more than a bsn who makes more than an adn who makes more than an lpn, all to do the same job.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LT_Oneal_PAC Posted December 21, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 21, 2015 Because docs always make more...because they are docs....we went to epic 4 months ago. "physician trainers" were paid 125/hr to do exactly the same thing as "staff trainers" (rn/pa/np) who were paid 40/hr. same training, same responsibilities. docs just think they are worth more and pay themselves accordingly.... why does an msn make more than a bsn who makes more than an adn who makes more than an lpn, all to do the same job.... Where I worked as a nurse, a magnet hospital, MSN/BSN/ADN were all paid the same if fulfilling the same position. An LPN does not perform the same job as an RN, and can't legally, so they weren't paid the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted December 21, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 21, 2015 Where I worked as a nurse, a magnet hospital, MSN/BSN/ADN were all paid the same if fulfilling the same position. An LPN does not perform the same job as an RN, and can't legally, so they weren't paid the same. depends on the facility. one small place I work at uses only LPNs with one rn on staff as nurse manager. they do everything except hang blood(which we don't even have there). they are all acls and pals certified, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetNavyPAC Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Because docs always make more...because they are docs....we went to epic 4 months ago. "physician trainers" were paid 125/hr to do exactly the same thing as "staff trainers" (rn/pa/np) who were paid 40/hr. same training, same responsibilities. docs just think they are worth more and pay themselves accordingly.... why does an msn make more than a bsn who makes more than an adn who makes more than an lpn, all to do the same job.... We agree. It's just such an inconsistency that of late, when I hear of situations such as you described, for some reason vexes me no end. Health systems or CMGs that do this paint themselves into such a nakedly illogical position. If docs always make more because they are docs, but you do the same thing just as well, why not either pay you the same (since they're getting the same efficiency and quality), OR fire the docs and get more PAs like you - to get the same quality and efficiency . . .for less money. It also takes the old tarp off of the big ugly question sitting over in the dark corner of the garage: To be very good at practicing medicine, does one really need to have four years of college, four years of medical school and a few years of residency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFloridaPA Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 ED 60-70hr PA, Docs $250 hr Spine 100k annual, Doc ~800k-1M annual Really all over the place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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