quietmedic Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 I'm really frustrated. I am trying to find a job here in NY, but it seems half the available jobs require Bilingual as an absolute MUST. Isn't there some way this is Discrimination? I can't find a job because I'm an English Speaking American!! It just seems so absurd. How can this be legal??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietmedic Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I'm really frustrated. I am trying to find a job here in NY, but it seems half the available jobs require Bilingual as an absolute MUST. Isn't there some way this is Discrimination? I can't find a job because I'm an English Speaking American!! It just seems so absurd. How can this be legal??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Your lack of employment options may have little to do with Mono-ligualism and actually be related to your obvious poor understanding of English. I'll give you a hint: There is NO SUCH THING as "Reverse Discrimination." One is either "Discriminating" or not... Its either "Discrimination" or it isn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Your lack of employment options may have little to do with Mono-ligualism and actually be related to your obvious poor understanding of English. I'll give you a hint: There is NO SUCH THING as "Reverse Discrimination." One is either "Discriminating" or not... Its either "Discrimination" or it isn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain1028 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Actually there is such a thing as reverse discrimination. Our current DOJ is a prime example. PM me if interested in example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain1028 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Actually there is such a thing as reverse discrimination. Our current DOJ is a prime example. PM me if interested in example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Acually there isn't a such thing... and its a shame that "supposedly" educated folks can't/won't see that. The term "reverse discrimination" is an oxymoron. Just like "Jumbo shrimp", "Dress Pants," or "Natural laxative." Discrimination is Discrimination. There really is only one type of discrimination. The only way to "reverse" it is to simply NOT Discriminate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Acually there isn't a such thing... and its a shame that "supposedly" educated folks can't/won't see that. The term "reverse discrimination" is an oxymoron. Just like "Jumbo shrimp", "Dress Pants," or "Natural laxative." Discrimination is Discrimination. There really is only one type of discrimination. The only way to "reverse" it is to simply NOT Discriminate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain1028 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 OK good point, how about subversive discrimination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain1028 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 OK good point, how about subversive discrimination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietmedic Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 I guess that's why they call you contrarian. This thread has strayed far afield... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietmedic Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 I guess that's why they call you contrarian. This thread has strayed far afield... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dondoro88 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I shadowed a PA in Arizona who spoke very basic Spanish: "como estas?" was about it. He had a MA come in to translate and approx 50% of his patients only spoke Spanish. He got by because he claimed to understand and know basic Spanish.. Perhaps take a class or buy those language CDs so you can get a basic command of it? never hurts to know more languages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dondoro88 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I shadowed a PA in Arizona who spoke very basic Spanish: "como estas?" was about it. He had a MA come in to translate and approx 50% of his patients only spoke Spanish. He got by because he claimed to understand and know basic Spanish.. Perhaps take a class or buy those language CDs so you can get a basic command of it? never hurts to know more languages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason09 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I like dondoro's example. Great way to slightly bend the truth and give you an edge on applying for jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason09 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I like dondoro's example. Great way to slightly bend the truth and give you an edge on applying for jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinntsp Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Check local schools for a medical Spanish class. If nothing else it will give you something to do while you're hunting for a job. Have you looked into the suggestions from your previous thread? http://www.physicianassistantforum.com/forums/showthread.php/32778-Can-t-seem-to-find-any-ERs-in-NYC-that-don-t-want-YEARS-of-experience...?highlight= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinntsp Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Check local schools for a medical Spanish class. If nothing else it will give you something to do while you're hunting for a job. Have you looked into the suggestions from your previous thread? http://www.physicianassistantforum.com/forums/showthread.php/32778-Can-t-seem-to-find-any-ERs-in-NYC-that-don-t-want-YEARS-of-experience...?highlight= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoriaO Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Hey there, I'm a fellow new-grad PA who is in the same boat, still interviewing for jobs in my home city (I had an ER job offer 3 hours away but my sig. other decided we're not moving) Couple suggestions for you: One is that many communities centers and organizations have opportunities for you to volunteer with a variety of non-English speakers, helping watch kids, help with homework, serve meals, etc. You'll be surprised how fast you pick it up! If your Spanish is not bad, try and look for a group called "intercambio" it's really fun. You meet with a Spanish speaker who is trying to learn English, so half the hour you converse in English, the other half of the time in Spanish to help both of you practice. Other suggestion is that while you are waiting to find a job, volunteer at a free clinic. Not only will it be great to keep your skills in practice and help out your community, but you will meet many of the other providers that volunteer there, and it may lead to a job. Good luck! (and though this may seem obvious, have you considered moving outside NYC?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoriaO Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Hey there, I'm a fellow new-grad PA who is in the same boat, still interviewing for jobs in my home city (I had an ER job offer 3 hours away but my sig. other decided we're not moving) Couple suggestions for you: One is that many communities centers and organizations have opportunities for you to volunteer with a variety of non-English speakers, helping watch kids, help with homework, serve meals, etc. You'll be surprised how fast you pick it up! If your Spanish is not bad, try and look for a group called "intercambio" it's really fun. You meet with a Spanish speaker who is trying to learn English, so half the hour you converse in English, the other half of the time in Spanish to help both of you practice. Other suggestion is that while you are waiting to find a job, volunteer at a free clinic. Not only will it be great to keep your skills in practice and help out your community, but you will meet many of the other providers that volunteer there, and it may lead to a job. Good luck! (and though this may seem obvious, have you considered moving outside NYC?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 It seems that the local market forces require bilingualism for most jobs. You either have to learn spanish, fake it, or search elsewhere.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersenpa Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 It seems that the local market forces require bilingualism for most jobs. You either have to learn spanish, fake it, or search elsewhere.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Steve Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-29/politics/supreme.court.discrimination_1_promotional-exams-white-firefighters-test-results?_s=PM:POLITICS I would argue that the term of reverse discrimination is a widely used term, even by the country's highest court. I have included the enclosed link to demonstrate my point. However, I also see the point that if you feel discriminated against, there is no "reverse" about it. You are being discriminated against...it is simply that once where you feel you were in the majority, you find yourself suddenly in the minority, it's as if things went in reverse or flipped around. It is not an easy position to be in. If a person is always used to winning, it suddenly feels quite awkward and frustrating to be losing and there is going to be an adjustment period. I know of large swaths of population who are English speaking Americans and haven't been able to get a job due to lack of educational accomplishments. This is nothing new. Most of those folks attended the courses needed to gain the education required and moved forward. Or they relocated to an area and settled into a lifestyle where they felt the most at ease. "Bucking the system" is hard...good luck on your quest. If it was me, I'd head to Bariloche, Argentina in northern Patagonia and attend a month at http://www.lamontana.com/ with a concurrent homestay. My wife and I had a blast doing it a few years ago and the area is just jaw dropping gorgeous. You can come back from that little adventure very tuned up with some basic spanish skills to get you by. The school also arranged to have private tutor lessons for a week doing just medical spanish as well 1:1 for me. 3 weeks homestay which included 2 rented bedrooms (we rented our son his own room), a shared bath, two meals a day, 4 hours of school/day for my wife and I, 4 hours of day care/day for our son, tuition, books ran us $1500/USD in 2005. No car rental needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Steve Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-29/politics/supreme.court.discrimination_1_promotional-exams-white-firefighters-test-results?_s=PM:POLITICS I would argue that the term of reverse discrimination is a widely used term, even by the country's highest court. I have included the enclosed link to demonstrate my point. However, I also see the point that if you feel discriminated against, there is no "reverse" about it. You are being discriminated against...it is simply that once where you feel you were in the majority, you find yourself suddenly in the minority, it's as if things went in reverse or flipped around. It is not an easy position to be in. If a person is always used to winning, it suddenly feels quite awkward and frustrating to be losing and there is going to be an adjustment period. I know of large swaths of population who are English speaking Americans and haven't been able to get a job due to lack of educational accomplishments. This is nothing new. Most of those folks attended the courses needed to gain the education required and moved forward. Or they relocated to an area and settled into a lifestyle where they felt the most at ease. "Bucking the system" is hard...good luck on your quest. If it was me, I'd head to Bariloche, Argentina in northern Patagonia and attend a month at http://www.lamontana.com/ with a concurrent homestay. My wife and I had a blast doing it a few years ago and the area is just jaw dropping gorgeous. You can come back from that little adventure very tuned up with some basic spanish skills to get you by. The school also arranged to have private tutor lessons for a week doing just medical spanish as well 1:1 for me. 3 weeks homestay which included 2 rented bedrooms (we rented our son his own room), a shared bath, two meals a day, 4 hours of school/day for my wife and I, 4 hours of day care/day for our son, tuition, books ran us $1500/USD in 2005. No car rental needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIPPER Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Quietmedic; I think the general population sees no problem with your use of the english language American Heritage Dictonary; Reverse Discrimination; n. Discrimination against members of a dominant or majority group, especially when resulting from policies established to correct discrimination against members of a minority or disadvantaged group. Merriam-Webster Dictionary Reverse Discrimination; Noun. Discrimination against whites or males (as in employment or education) Encyclopedia Britannica http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/500438/reverse-discrimination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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