greyoctober Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Does anyone know what their pass rate was for this year? 1st time and overall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabug Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 This summer will be their first graduating class so there are no statistics yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klairsee Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I would like to see some statistics on this as well but I guess we won't for a while yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredcliche Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 at the interview friday, they said the pance pass rate was 82% first time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuruvillak Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 is 82% good?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primadonna22274 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 82% is abysmal. Programs I am most familiar with (Pacific and MCG) are never under 90%+ and I think our first-time average for MCG the past 5 yr has been no less than 94%, with nearly 100% first-time pass rates more often than not the past decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msullivan48 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 But the 82% was only for their first year's class, not a decade or so like you were comparing it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuruvillak Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 well..im just worried if ARC-PA would disqualify the provisional accredition given to lmu since their first PANCE rate is only 82%. But i guess 82% is good for first time pass rate. Hmmmmm but again im still worried.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumya.e Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 My interviewer told me that they were aiming for a 50% pass rate so they were really pleased with the 82% and that their numbers were really good in comparison to other schools. Also that a few students made 98% and above on their PANCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primadonna22274 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 No, 82% for first class won't raise any eyebrows at ARC-PA. I am disturbed that LMU set it's benchmark at 50% for the first class...if they had expected only 50% of their DO students to pass COMLEX/USMLE Steps 1&2 they would have faced serious flogging by COCA. Even as a new program (which it was when I matriculated in 1998 under provisional accreditation) Pacific managed high 90% first-time pass rates for the first 2 classes--may have even been 100% but it was a while ago and I don't want to misspeak if my recollection is off. I'm just saying, if you shoot for 50 and are pleased with 80, certainly not a failure, but they need to tweak quite a few things to get into the 90% crowd. You want your PA program to be in the 90% crowd. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuruvillak Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Thanks your reply was really helpful!!! :) No, 82% for first class won't raise any eyebrows at ARC-PA. I am disturbed that LMU set it's benchmark at 50% for the first class...if they had expected only 50% of their DO students to pass COMLEX/USMLE Steps 1&2 they would have faced serious flogging by COCA. Even as a new program (which it was when I matriculated in 1998 under provisional accreditation) Pacific managed high 90% first-time pass rates for the first 2 classes--may have even been 100% but it was a while ago and I don't want to misspeak if my recollection is off.I'm just saying, if you shoot for 50 and are pleased with 80, certainly not a failure, but they need to tweak quite a few things to get into the 90% crowd. You want your PA program to be in the 90% crowd. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabug Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 82% is abysmal. Programs I am most familiar with (Pacific and MCG) are never under 90%+ and I think our first-time average for MCG the past 5 yr has been no less than 94%, with nearly 100% first-time pass rates more often than not the past decade. Is really abysmal for a first year program? That's maybe 2 people not passing first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwilli5009 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 This statistic really caught me off guard, too. However, I wasn't surprised considering it was their first class. Abysmal might be a touch strong, but 82% is a poor showing. After meeting the faculty and touring the facilities, I certainly expect it to go up over the next few years. LMU has the components of an incredible program and the PANCE scores will come to reflect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuruvillak Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 do you guys think the PANCE pass rate % will affect LMU's provisional accredition? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primadonna22274 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Not if everything else looks good...the first-time PANCE pass-rate is just ONE of many variables that ARC-PA looks at...I was a bit harsh saying 82% was "abysmal"...but it MUST come up to the high 90s to be a "great" program. Student selection has a LOT to do with this--ultimately it is the students who pass the test. While it is the job of the PA faculty to provide the tools necessary to take the test and prove basic competency to practice medicine, the student PAs bear the ultimate responsibility to learn and demonstrate their learning by killing the PANCE. Past few years at MCG/GHSU we have had several 800s... You can't score higher than that. I give credit to the students who were self-motivated to read more than was assigned and to learn independently. Also had a couple failures--one of whom just obviously failed to prepare (cocky) and one who had severe test anxiety. Both were just below passing on the first attempt and passed safely the 2nd time...they were provided the same instruction as the 800 and high 600-700 crowd...just not the same students. do you guys think the PANCE pass rate % will affect LMU's provisional accredition? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwilli5009 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Definitely agree with primadonna. My fiance just graduated from the GHSU DPT program in May and she studied for boards for 6-8 hours a day for two months. If you don't dedicate an intense amount of time, you will not pass. Furthermore, LMU will be able to be more and more selective in regards to students in the years to come. They expect to receive full accreditation in March and I believe them on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuruvillak Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Definitely agree with primadonna. My fiance just graduated from the GHSU DPT program in May and she studied for boards for 6-8 hours a day for two months. If you don't dedicate an intense amount of time, you will not pass. Furthermore, LMU will be able to be more and more selective in regards to students in the years to come. They expect to receive full accreditation in March and I believe them on that. Did the school say that they expect to receive full accredition by March 2012? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGirlPA Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 LMU is a great PA school!! 82% pass rate is great for the first class. Keep in mind we are a new school. In years to come the program will evolve to even better than what it already is; and the staff will learn to adjust and revise. I'm in the 3rd class and they are already very helpful in helping us study for the PANCE exam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwilli5009 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Yes, this was discussed during my interview session and they completely foresee themselves being fully accredited in March based on their most recent visit from the accrediting body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA student TN Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Definitely agree with primadonna. My fiance just graduated from the GHSU DPT program in May and she studied for boards for 6-8 hours a day for two months. If you don't dedicate an intense amount of time, you will not pass. Furthermore, LMU will be able to be more and more selective in regards to students in the years to come. They expect to receive full accreditation in March and I believe them on that. It is funny how you mention that the school will be more selective in regards to students in the years to come... That is the rate for the first class and it is pretty good. The class was small too, lots of changes have been made since them, so don't make it sounds like the students need to be better selected for the PANCE rate to go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuruvillak Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 It is funny how you mention that the school will be more selective in regards to students in the years to come... That is the rate for the first class and it is pretty good. The class was small too, lots of changes have been made since them, so don't make it sounds like the students need to be better selected for the PANCE rate to go up. What changes did the school make? not questioning but just interested in knowing..thanks! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwilli5009 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 It is funny how you mention that the school will be more selective in regards to students in the years to come... That is the rate for the first class and it is pretty good. The class was small too, lots of changes have been made since them, so don't make it sounds like the students need to be better selected for the PANCE rate to go up. I am not trashing the first class by any means and I am proud to begin attending LMU in May. I have stated in this thread that the score is good considering it being the first class. It is a program I believe in and I feel very fortunate to be selected as a student. I was simply illustrating that a school in its first years of provisional accreditation and existence will not be able to be as selective as to the students they admit into their program. This is just the truth. I plan on working extremely hard to do my part in representing the school well and increasing its attractiveness to future applicants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrd3.extra.nos Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Mwilli, I am just curious what is your background? Any medical experience? How many other schools did you apply to? Why did you decide on LMU? It just seems that consideration should be given to the fact that you did get in and not so much with the selection of students. I am familiar with the people in the first class and class that are on clinical rotations and they were not second-hand picks or the standards lowered for them to get in. Your intentions may not be to trash and I am not accusing you of that but what I am reading from your posts sends the message to me that you are not pleased with LMU's PANCE rate or selection of students and future students. I am of the opinion that it should be an honor to have been accepted at LMU and to have faith that the faculty will do their best to prepare students to be successful. The PANCE rate posted for the first class should not alarm you and if it does then maybe you would be better suited for a program like Emory or MCG. You say you believe in the program but yet you still question the selection of students and PANCE rate???? Again how will you "increase the attractiveness" of LMU if you continue to downgrade the schools selection process? Wish you well and hope the best for you in your studies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwilli5009 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I interviewed at LMU in October and subsequently turned down offers to interview at Trevecca and MCG because LMU is the school for me. I am above and beyond honored to have been selected to go there. MCG is literally $50,000 less than LMU, so I must truly believe in the school, instructors, staff, and all that goes into the program being what it is today. At no point have I spoken negatively of any student attending my future alma mater. I've given plenty of consideration to the fact I got in. However, this thread is about LMU's initial PANCE first time pass percentage, which is 82%. Like I said earlier, that is a poor showing when compared to all other programs nationally, but I was the first person to defend the rate being called "abysmal" considering that these statistics came from the first graduating class. Every comment I have made about student selection has never implied anything about second hand picks, lowered standards, or anything of the sort. I am familiar with many current students and I have been impressed with all of them. I am merely stating a fact. Are you suggesting LMU's faculty would not like to have higher student statistics in overall GPA, science/math GPA, GRE scores, etc, thus making it a more attractive school to attend? Do you think that becoming a ranked school and having a high 90% pass rate on the PANCE is not a goal of the program? This is all I meant about student selection. Any new school should hope to increase the amount of applicants that fall into their desired range of acceptable statistics so they have a larger pool to choose from. As for "increasing the attractiveness" of the program, I will work as hard as possible in rotations using the skills taught to me by the faculty and I will do everything I can to get an extremely high score on the PANCE my first time. Am I implying that others haven't done that? No. I am simply planning on doing my part. Hopefully this has cleared up some confusion. Good luck at your interview! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrd3.extra.nos Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Thanks for clearing it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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