Administrator rev ronin Posted May 6, 2015 Administrator Share Posted May 6, 2015 http://tbo.com/news/crime/man-uses-stethoscope-to-choke-physician-assistant-sarasota-deputies-say-20150505/ Well, that would make a particularly bad day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtmathew Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Doesnt sound like inadequate pain medication was this man's problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 So do people kill people? or do stethoscopes kill people? We should Ban stethoscopes... Sent from my S5 Active...Like you care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoRyou Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Sounds something you would read in the National Enquirer. You know what they say, Truth is stranger than fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmj11 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I remember a PA in S. Dakota telling me that her SP knocked the charts out of her hand and then beat her with his stephoscope when one of his patients voiced that she would rather see the PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 He would've wound up in the trauma bay, or the morgue, if he had done that to me or one of my co-workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT2PA Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 It's always Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterallsummer Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Article quote: "faces charges of aggravated battery with a DEADLY WEAPON." Who knew all these years we were walking around armed and ready for combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted May 6, 2015 Author Administrator Share Posted May 6, 2015 "Deadly weapon" depends on the mode of usage. A large enough flashlight, wielded as a club, counts. So does a pool cue, golf club, or baseball bat if swung in anger. There are all sorts of things not commonly used for deadly force, that, if so employed, count as deadly weapons. Could a stethoscope be used as a garrotte? Sure. Thus, it counts, even though that's not a normal use for the item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk732 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Had an old, very strong, Alzheimer's patient try to strangle me with my stethoscope...that's when I pretty much stopped carrying it in the "LCF" or "Look Cool Factor" draped around my neck position - now either with the binaurals in the hanging middle position on my neck so I can just step away OR in the cargo pocket of my pants or lab coat. Embarrassed to say that someone went beserk with my steth yesterday, using it like a flail...it's a Master Cardiology III and I was very impressed by the amount of noise and dents it created AND that it is still working and intact. I actually didn't even have it on me, it was on a bedside table or chair in a room where this dude Code Whited on us. Go Littman!! SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoRyou Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoRyou Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 "Deadly weapon" depends on the mode of usage. A large enough flashlight, wielded as a club, counts. So does a pool cue, golf club, or baseball bat if swung in anger. There are all sorts of things not commonly used for deadly force, that, if so employed, count as deadly weapons. Could a stethoscope be used as a garrotte? Sure. Thus, it counts, even though that's not a normal use for the item. Few years ago my son got home from middle school, got his pocket knife and started working on whittling a boy scout project. His friend called and asked him to go to the high school football game. Son put his POCKET knife in his pocket, and went to the game. As he was in line to get into game he saw sign saying no knive's allowed. He went up to a teacher and asked what he should do with his pocketknife. Teacher freaked, and tried to get my 12 yo son ARRESTED for carrying a DEADLY WEAPON on school grounds. Fortunately police refused, but my son got suspended from middle school for a week. I had to go meet with the principal of his middle school. Walked in with my coffee cup in hand. Principal tried explaining to me that since a pocket knife could be used as a weapon, it was considered a weapon and therefore they had to suspend him. I held my coffee cup up, and explained to the principal that I could easily use my coffee cup to cause serious bodily injury to him.....should we ban coffee cups in school? Then I pointed to several things on his desk that I could use to cause him serious bodily harm. I really don't think he had ever thought of it like that before. I took my son out for ice cream that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoRyou Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Had an old, very strong, Alzheimer's patient try to strangle me with my stethoscope...that's when I pretty much stopped carrying it in the "LCF" or "Look Cool Factor" draped around my neck position - now either with the binaurals in the hanging middle position on my neck so I can just step away OR in the cargo pocket of my pants or lab coat. I remember a PA in S. Dakota telling me that her SP knocked the charts out of her hand and then beat her with his stephoscope when one of his patients voiced that she would rather see the PA. Are you both serious? The first one I can understand as I used to work with people who had Alzheimer's. Some would get in my face well ... But the second one that jmj talks about is NO excuse and that SP needs to be fired if he isn't already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted May 7, 2015 Author Administrator Share Posted May 7, 2015 I'm halfway tempted to make a YouTube video detailing defense against from-the-front stethoscope strangulation attacks, since I just Googled and couldn't find one. Key feature of such an attack is that both of the attacker's hands are occupied, while neither of yours are. You're still going to need to act fast, but essentially all of the easy target areas are available, and you can reach for a pen or anything else you happen to have handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I remember a PA in S. Dakota telling me that her SP knocked the charts out of her hand and then beat her with his stephoscope when one of his patients voiced that she would rather see the PA. Umm....we need a cartoon for this one. Your others made me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatswain2PA Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I'm halfway tempted to make a YouTube video detailing defense against from-the-front stethoscope strangulation attacks, since I just Googled and couldn't find one. Key feature of such an attack is that both of the attacker's hands are occupied, while neither of yours are. You're still going to need to act fast, but essentially all of the easy target areas are available, and you can reach for a pen or anything else you happen to have handy. MIP of 5th digit of your right hand to the bottom of attackers nose, push the attacker's head to your right, exposing his right neck. As you extend his neck with pressure to his nose, you shift the force to your thumb as it comes up under his right submandibular pressure point, continuing to push your attackers head to his left and beginning to turn him around. As you continue to turn his head around to his left, his body follows and he turns perpendicular to you. You bring your left hand up, preparing to bring it down for a brachial plexus stun. As your right thumb begins losing contact with the submandibular pressure point, your left hand is coming down for brachial plexus stun, buckling your attackers knees. After the strike, your left hand grabs the attackers chin, pulling the attacker the rest of the 180 degree turn so he is now facing away from you. Meanwhile, your right hand slides down the front of your attackers body, under his armpit, and captures his right arm behind his back. At this point, you have him turned 180 degrees, your left hand holding his chin with his neck rotated hard to his left, while your right arm has his right arm locked behind his back. You can keep him under control like this standing up, and force him out the door, or you can take him to the ground face first with you maintaining control. You can do this in about 1 second with practice. Works well with drunks too! You do have to be very careful doing this maneuver if you are carrying concealed on your right hip because, after you get them turned and locked, their right hand will be close to your right hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACdan Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Few years ago my son got home from middle school, got his pocket knife and started working on whittling a boy scout project. His friend called and asked him to go to the high school football game. Son put his POCKET knife in his pocket, and went to the game. As he was in line to get into game he saw sign saying no knive's allowed. He went up to a teacher and asked what he should do with his pocketknife. Teacher freaked, and tried to get my 12 yo son ARRESTED for carrying a DEADLY WEAPON on school grounds. Fortunately police refused, but my son got suspended from middle school for a week. I had to go meet with the principal of his middle school. Walked in with my coffee cup in hand. Principal tried explaining to me that since a pocket knife could be used as a weapon, it was considered a weapon and therefore they had to suspend him. I held my coffee cup up, and explained to the principal that I could easily use my coffee cup to cause serious bodily injury to him.....should we ban coffee cups in school? Then I pointed to several things on his desk that I could use to cause him serious bodily harm. I really don't think he had ever thought of it like that before. I took my son out for ice cream that day. I've seen almost this exact story before, except it was a high schooler at a football game. Also, another one where an honest mistake resulted in a pocket knife being left in a middle schooler's backpack after a weekend camping trip. In all of the stories the kids where honest and reported/turned in the knives. In each case they were punished for their honesty. The only lesson being taught by the administrators to these children is that they probably would have been better off "lying" or doing nothing. What a total shame. ______ On an unrelated note, we once had an unruly 93 yo grandma rip a monitor off her wall. When PD showed up, they were a little lax in their estimation of her ability...and she got one of their guns out of it's holster for about 2 seconds. OOPS. Needless to say that officer was more than a little embarrassed that day. Lesson: Never underestimate the strength of a pissed off old person (or anyone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk732 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Dude that tried to strangle me was when I leaned over checking him out - staying calm coupled with a simple thumb lock into hyperextension go me out. Where the thumb goes, the body follows ;-). MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmj11 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Are you both serious? The first one I can understand as I used to work with people who had Alzheimer's. Some would get in my face well ... But the second one that jmj talks about is NO excuse and that SP needs to be fired if he isn't already! Years ago (in another life) I wrote a book about dealing with some nutso physicians in my early career. For a while after that I got letters from PAs around the coutnry,or they would come up to me at the AAPA conference and tell me their horror stories. This was one. The sad part of the story (as if that was not sad enough) was that she was working with the Indian Health Service and she immediately went into town to tell her director (MBA type) about what happened. His response was "Old Dr. so and so, well that is just the way he is. It was very hard for us to recruit a physician for this clinic and we just have to live with him the way he is." She told me that she was really shaken and voiced that she will take this up with the law if she has to but she isn't going to "live with it." They in turn . . . fired her. I don't know what happened after that as all of that had just happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Years ago (in another life) I wrote a book about dealing with some nutso physicians in my early career. For a while after that I got letters from PAs around the coutnry,or they would come up to me at the AAPA conference and tell me their horror stories. This was one. The sad part of the story (as if that was not sad enough) was that she was working with the Indian Health Service and she immediately went into town to tell her director (MBA type) about what happened. His response was "Old Dr. so and so, well that is just the way he is. It was very hard for us to recruit a physician for this clinic and we just have to live with him the way he is." She told me that she was really shaken and voiced that she will take this up with the law if she has to but she isn't going to "live with it." They in turn . . . fired her. I don't know what happened after that as all of that had just happened. Very typical of tribal clinics and IHS. One reason why I no longer will work for tribal ever again is the extreme dysfunction and the physician's who get hired seem to end up being yow-yows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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