UpRegulated Posted August 6, 2014 The apocalypse happens. United States order becomes disorder. It’s survivalist mode now. Let's say its not an infectious disease epidemic, biological warfare, or nuclear war. Perhaps massive solar flares wipe out communication, or there is a surprise military invasion, or there is simply massive social unrest that destroys essential infrastructure. Either way, you must survive in hiding without modern technology for an extended period of time. There is an abandoned urgent care clinic blocks away. You have to break in, because you have a family to protect. With only limited time, and the risk of being caught by homeland security, which has become the national police force under martial law, you have to move quickly. You can take 10 items from the clinic. Here are your choices. Pick from each category and explain why. 1) Pick three antibiotics 2) Pick three other medications that can only be found in a clinic 3) Pick four other medical supplies that can only be found in a clinic
Moderator EMEDPA Posted August 6, 2014 Moderator The apocalypse happens. Worldwide order becomes disorder. It’s survivalist mode now. There is an abandoned urgent care clinic blocks away. You have to break in, because you have a family to protect. With only limited time, and the risk of being caught by homeland security, which has become the national police force under martial law, you have to move quickly. You can take 10 items from the clinic. Here are your choices. Pick from each category and explain why. 1) Pick three antibiotics 2) Pick three other medications that can only be found in a clinic 3) Pick four other medical supplies that can only be found in a clinic DOXY, AUGMENTIN, BIAXIN EPI, VISTARIL, PREDNISONE SUTURE SET/SUTURE, HIBICLENS SOLUTION, BOX OF SCALPELS, BOX OF SAM SPLINTS/ACE WRAPS
Administrator rev ronin Posted August 6, 2014 Administrator Um, you don't already have your own stockpile of these things? Set aside $100/month for getting/keeping up to date your medical bug-out kit, and you can do wonders.
Moderator EMEDPA Posted August 6, 2014 Moderator Um, you don't already have your own stockpile of these things? Set aside $100/month for getting/keeping up to date your medical bug-out kit, and you can do wonders. I do, but was playing along. also have small amt of nonperishable food, porta potty, manual tools, etc.
medic25 Posted August 6, 2014 Doxycycline, levaquin, ertapenem Zofran, ketamine, decadron Suture kit (hopefully containing lidocaine), chlorhexidine, scalpels, electric cautery pen (useful for wounds, but also a great firestarter).
Moderator ventana Posted August 6, 2014 Moderator doxy, levaquin, keflex oxycodone valium suture set, ace wrap
SocialMedicine Posted August 6, 2014 1) Pick three antibiotics I would be most worried about soft tissue infections if I had to "fend for myself". Also if I am outdoors living in the north east US tick borne illness is a concern. If nobody is around how much risk do I have of acquiring a bacterial URI ? Still I would pick the following to match these three concerns linezolid (super aggressive I only get 3 right. Maybe I can sell it for 1000 bucks to someone at an apocalypse trade post), doxycycline, amox/clav. 2) Pick three other medications that can only be found in a clinic an opioid for pain mgmt, prednisone or a topical steroid since i am outdoors maybe inc risk for contact dermatitis or plant based reaction, would lidocaine and injection equipment be part of a wound mgmt kit ?? 3) Pick four other medical supplies that can only be found in a clinic Like the hibaclens idea, would kit with suture materials x 2, iodine ???? you can use this to disinfect water right ?? I would have to look that up on my iphone before hand. That will still work in the apocalypse, right ? Maybe inject a few vaccinations if stored on site ... update tdap, pneumo....
UpRegulated Posted August 6, 2014 Author 1) Pick three antibiotics I would be most worried about soft tissue infections if I had to "fend for myself". Also if I am outdoors living in the north east US tick borne illness is a concern. If nobody is around how much risk do I have of acquiring a bacterial URI ? Still I would pick the following to match these three concerns linezolid (super aggressive I only get 3 right. Maybe I can sell it for 1000 bucks to someone at an apocalypse trade post), doxycycline, amox/clav. 2) Pick three other medications that can only be found in a clinic an opioid for pain mgmt, prednisone or a topical steroid since i am outdoors maybe inc risk for contact dermatitis or plant based reaction, would lidocaine and injection equipment be part of a wound mgmt kit ?? 3) Pick four other medical supplies that can only be found in a clinic Like the hibaclens idea, would kit with suture materials x 2, iodine ???? you can use this to disinfect water right ?? I would have to look that up on my iphone before hand. That will still work in the apocalypse, right ? Maybe inject a few vaccinations if stored on site ... update tdap, pneumo.... Good thoughts esp. on the vaccinations. I'd think you could still get a UTI, esp. if you're a woman - those typically come from self inoculation. CAP on the other hand or C-MRSA may be less likely if there was less human contact, but what if you and another group of humans sheltered together? I would also be concerned about giardia from available water sources, but wouldn't want to grab Flagyl just for that (one reason I picked levo). My concerns would be animal (and human?) bites, tick-bites, maybe some C-MRSA, weird PNE's, Giardia, various other skin/wound infections, allergic reactions (e.g. bee stings), pain from wounds (broken bones, gunshot), blood loss. After thinking about supplies, many can be had from places other than a medical clinic such as drug stores and vet supply (and 1-day shipping from Amazon! Probably wouldn't work in this scenario), so I picked the ones that would be harder to find at places other than a clinic. 1) Doxy, augmentin, levo 2) Decadron, morphine, epi 3) Suture kit, IV kit/tubing, bag of NS, scalpels
UpRegulated Posted August 6, 2014 Author Um, you don't already have your own stockpile of these things? Set aside $100/month for getting/keeping up to date your medical bug-out kit, and you can do wonders. C'mon Rev! It's a game! :)
JohnnyM2 Posted August 6, 2014 AR 15, semi-auto shotgun, large game hunting rifle w/scope, minimum two pistols ( 357 magnum, 9 mm, 40s&w or 45), body armor, 250+ rounds for each gun (600 is better), maintenance kit, hunting knife, canned and dried food stockpile, water purification Otherwise, your med kit won't be of much use and you won't survive past 30 days. We can team up. ;) Sent from my Kindle Fire HDX using Tapatalk 2
UpRegulated Posted August 6, 2014 Author AR 15, semi-auto shotgun, large game hunting rifle w/scope, minimum two pistols ( 357 magnum, 9 mm, 40s&w or 45), body armor, 250+ rounds for each gun (600 is better), maintenance kit, hunting knife, canned and dried food stockpile, water purification Otherwise, your med kit won't be of much use and you won't survive past 30 days. We can team up. ;) Sent from my Kindle Fire HDX using Tapatalk 2 Deal. I can also bring along a 9 mm, a 40, and a saweet 40 cal Beretta CX4 Storm.
JohnnyM2 Posted August 6, 2014 Deal. I can also bring along a 9 mm, a 40, and a saweet 40 cal Beretta CX4 Storm. Great gun, the CX4 Storm. Love that it uses rounds we already own. Sent from my Kindle Fire HDX using Tapatalk 2
Acebecker Posted August 6, 2014 Bactrim, Cipro, Flagyl. Versed, Lidocaine, Zofran Minor Surg Kit, Sutures/Skin Adhesive, IV Setup with NS, Hibiclens
cbrsmurf Posted August 6, 2014 Wouldn't need any of that, just a black leather jacket, black leather pants, a sawed-off shotgun and awesome hair product
Guest Paula Posted August 6, 2014 I'm writing the script right now. Who wants the lead part? It's gotta be the most handsomest of the men who have answered so please submit your reel. If I was a man I would take the pretty nurse with me and she would end up the love interest. (LOL). I'd bring the Ebola vaccine/antidote.
GetMeOuttaThisMess Posted August 6, 2014 I can throw in a couple of claymore mines confiscated during my ED years. Might have a couple of SAM's In the garage for zombie aircraft. At my age I'm joining up with The Expendables. Might have to offer up my DC-9, also confiscated during my ED years. Hated it when they pulled up in the ED dock in that thing.
JohnnyM2 Posted August 9, 2014 It will definitely be a collaborative effort. Let's not invite any NPs unless they have a Hummer or four wheeler and know some advanced combat techniques. Sent from my Kindle Fire HDX using Tapatalk 2
Administrator rev ronin Posted September 21, 2014 Administrator Update: Doxycycline is expensive. If you were building your own kit on the open market, what would you buy? Still Doxy? Oh, ditto with the Biaxin. Holy cow!
jsfelder0417 Posted September 29, 2014 Pisser, my spouse is anaphylactic allergic to Tetracyclines, so no Doxy for me, otherwise I'd be all over it. So, Cipro, Metronidazole and Mebendazole for me. Steroid, Epi, Lidocaine w/ epi Tons of Kerlix, Minor procedure kit, IV Start kits The hard part for me is choosing supplies and interventions that would be sustainable in an austere environment. Of course I would like occlusive dressings, 14GA catheters, SOF-T Tourniquets, chest tubes and such, but in the end of the world, how sustainable are those? That's why my tx is going to be mostly limited to soft tissue wounds and fluid therapy. I can create field expedient splints and fluids, etc to expand my tx options, but your aesthetics are going out the window.
Administrator rev ronin Posted October 4, 2014 Administrator Ill choose 1 AK. To acquire all of my democratic neighbors belongings. Ha ha. Seriously, how can anyone with an interest in medicine really advocate anarchy--taking what you want by force from people not part of "your group", however you define that. Regardless of how seriously anyone else takes the Hippocratic oath, as medical professionals we should be seeking to preserve and support civilization in the event of a partial or total collapse. If medical people aren't going to do it--who else is? Engineers, probably, but certainly not the lawyers, MBAs, or Poli Sci majors.
Guest JMPA Posted October 4, 2014 Ha ha. Seriously, how can anyone with an interest in medicine really advocate anarchy--taking what you want by force from people not part of "your group", however you define that. Regardless of how seriously anyone else takes the Hippocratic oath, as medical professionals we should be seeking to preserve and support civilization in the event of a partial or total collapse. If medical people aren't going to do it--who else is? Engineers, probably, but certainly not the lawyers, MBAs, or Poli Sci majors. how can you preserve and support civilization if you cannot preserve and support yourself? it's questionable if democrats fall under the title "civilized"
Administrator rev ronin Posted October 4, 2014 Administrator how can you preserve and support civilization if you cannot preserve and support yourself? it's questionable if democrats fall under the title "civilized" The first rule of survival is indeed taking care of yourself... but taking what you need, by force, from others who have likewise prepared is not "survival", it is armed robbery--still a crime even in the absence of a functioning judiciary. It's one thing to prepare including arms for self defense--it's another thing entirely to ONLY prepare with arms, intending to predate on others.
Guest Paula Posted October 5, 2014 Wouldn't need any of that, just a black leather jacket, black leather pants, a sawed-off shotgun and awesome hair product Plus a Harley.
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