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  1. I am feeling unsure as to whether or not I will get into PA school. I have a bachelor's degree in Public Health Science. My cumulative gpa is a 3.92 and my science gpa is a 3.8 with 61 science course credits. I have 1,000 hours of patient contact currently from working as a physical therapy aide during undergrad. I am taking a gap year and working 36 hours per week as a medical assistant and also taking weekend shifts as a physical therapy aid to reach approximately 3,000 hours when I apply next year. I also have about 200 hours of other related experience through working as a medical receptionist and volunteering and have 100 hours from shadowing. I have about 500 hours of volunteer experience from a service trip for income equity, a social justice student group, volunteering with a group that works to fix low-income health disparities, an LGBTQ+ community health clinic, the National Alliance on Mental Illness, and the philanthropy committee for my sorority. I am doing research with a nearby medical school and will have about 300 hours of research experience at the time I apply (this is a volunteer position). I was a teaching assistant for anatomy and physiology II for two years. I served as the president of a student organization and the vice president of the same organization, a program lead for a social justice organization, and I was the chair of philanthropy for my sorority. Other extracurricular involvements included Students Engaged in Public Health, Sigma Kappa Sorority, Maryland Public Interest Research Group, Maryland Leadership Education and Development, and Ballet Company M. I am mostly concerned that I have not taken enough science credits and do not have enough patient contact. Are there other things I should work on to strengthen my profile? Should I take more science classes? Should I consider a master's in a science field? I studied public health because I am truly passionate about approaching patient care from this perspective and want to work in health administration health policy in addition to patient care, and I plan to explain this in my personal statement.
  2. I know there are a lot of threads on this topic already, but I decided to share this for those who don't have the best stats but truly want to be PAs. I just got accepted this 2015-2016 cycle, and I'll be starting PA school in the fall! It can be done, but you have to work extra hard to prove that you really have what it takes. Undergrad Major: Biology CASPA CGPA (undergrad): 2.80 CASPA SGPA: 2.97 Post-Baccalaureate: 4.0 (17 credits) GRE: 149V, 153Q, 4.0A LORs: 3 MDs, 1 PA Age: 29 Attempt: 1st HCE: Approximately 6000 (paid, volunteer, etc) Shadowing: MDs, PAs, 1 NP Applied: 10 + schools too many to list Interview invitations: 5 (declined 1) Acceptances: 2 Waitlisted: 1 Denied: Who cares? Nobody likes rejection, but you simply can't win them all. If you're meant to be a PA, you'll become one. It took me 4 years to prepare and apply, and I got in on my first attempt. This is not something you can rush; shadow PAs, take health/science classes, help your community, be very familiar with the profession, and most importantly: do it for the right reasons. Be honest, genuine, and enjoy the process. If they say no, someone will see in you what others don't. However, you also have to be realistic; if you can't honestly explain why your grades are low, why they should pick you vs. a 4.0 applicant, and why you really want to be a PA, then you're not ready. Take your time, explore other professions.. stay motivated!
  3. I wanted to know if anyone could add any input on this; I had requested a PA for a letter of evaluation. He was happy to agree to give one. I also had sent him a copy of my resume just because I thought that was the appropriate thing to do. last week at work him had mentioned two things... he had brought it up to me that I didn't have my GPA posted on my resume and asked if if I was planning to put it on my resume. he also started asking me things like "do you want me to just not address GPA at all then?". So, for the copy of the resume I had sent to her, I didn't put my GPA in because I didn't think it was going to be helpful (my undergrad is a 3.35 which is not competitive) The whole purpose of sending him a 1 page resume was so that he could know a little more of what I have done in undergrad; like, have a little more amount of information of who I am outside of scribing. (I've been a scribe for about 9 months; about 5 of those months have been heavily involved with this particular PA, so although we haven't had many conversations personally its not like I am a stranger to him The other thing that he requested is if I had personal statement finished. I will sincerely admit, I am quite behind on the application process as my personal statement still has work to do; I told him it's still being written. He asked if she should have a summary of it or something like that so he has more details to flesh out his evaluation letter. I told her I would email her about the GPA issue and the personal statement summary because he was asking out loud in front of the other doctors and employees in the nurses station and I was a little shy to answer. I don't know why, but I wasn't expecting him to ask those questions. So here is what I was asking: 1. Should I have 3.35 on my resume at all? (I was a public health major) 2. Is giving a personal statement/summary super necessary for you LOR evaluators? Because I really have alot more to do on my PS so I'm not sure how I can make a good summary in a short amount of time to give him; as well as the other evaluators.
  4. Hi everyone. I am currently applying this cycle with these stats. According to my calculations: cGPA = 3.12 sGPA = 3.23 These grades are the combined total of all my classes, including undergraduate (cGPA 2.88 and sGPA 2.96). I took post-bac classes (53 credits) and received A's in all them, which include major pre reqs required by most PA schools. For one year, I worked full time while taking courses. GRE = 309 total. 154 Quant (55th percentile) 155 Verbal (69th percentile) and 5.0 writing (93rd percentile) Total PCE ~ 4057 hours for about 2 years of working full time + per diem. I am continuing to work full time so this number will increase. Total HCE/Volunteer ~ 100 hours at a senior center Shadowing ~ 585 hours (480 of which was during work hours where I would directly work with a PA throughout my shift) Leadership role as a board member of a student association group and extra curricular's involving dance choreographer during my time as an undergraduate student. I may also be TA-ing microbology or anatomy this spring. I feel strong in my letters of recommendations and am currently in the process of trimming and editing my personal statement draft. I am continuing to shadow PA's after work now that my school semester is over, but I do not think its a good idea for me to continue taking courses since it would require a bunch of other classes to bump my GPA up even higher. Besides this, what can I do to stand out more and make myself a better applicant to offset my low GPA?
  5. I was wondering which GPA schools use during the admissions process. Undergrad, my CASPA calculated cumulative is 2.21 (i know, i know...) im currently in a masters in biology for health professions program and after two semesters my GPA is 3.42. using the CASPA GPA calculator spreadsheet, my cumulative with undergrad and grad is 2.4. which means i have to pick the correct schools in terms of GPA requirements etc. My question is will schools use only the CASPA cGPA to see if you meet the GPA requirement listed for their program? Do they look at sGPA moreso than cGPA? Do they take into account the 3.42 in graduate science courses regardless, or do I have to apply only to schools with the low GPA requirements OR the ones looking at most recent 40/60 credit hours?
  6. I realize that this is not the typical question, but a college professor recently commented to another student during class that a 4.0 GPA is more detrimental than 3.8 on a PA application because "they'll assume you're a perfectionist, and no one wants to teach a perfectionist". Is this legit? My goal in my classes has been to learn the material well so I have a solid foundation to draw from in the future when I am treating patients. I am maintaining a 4.0 GPA with a full-time course load and without sacrificing sleep or a life. I was taught to work hard for my passions and I enjoy delving deeper into subjects that interest me personally, so I'm a bit taken aback by my professor's comment.
  7. Hi guys, I am currently an undergrad about to graduate in May with a bachelor of science in Neuroscience. I'm hoping to get some advice/insight on my application and stats. cGPA: 3.4 sGPA: 3.2 Last 60 hrs: 3.7 PCE: ER scribe: 2000+ (I understand not all school accepts this as PCE but the schools I will be applying to does) MA?: 700 hrs. (I worked at a Chiropractor office about 2 years ago. I didn't have a job title but my duties included triage, assisting physician in minor procedures, and acting as a medical translator between the patient and the physician) Would this still count? Medical Assistance: About to begin this job in May at a local urgent care near my house. Will be train on the spot and hopefully get certified in a few months. Volunteer: Children Hospital: 60+ hours Volunteer at local hospital in high school: 50 hours (Don't know if this would still count) Shadowing: 30+ hours ER PA (2 separate PA) 10 hours cardiology PA pending shadowing with ICU PA LOR: ER physician ER Physician ER PA Cardiology PA GRE: taking in May So, I understand both of my GPA is on the lower side. I did dual enrollment as a high school student and my transfer GPA after starting college was 3.8. Sadly, something very unfortunate happened in my life a week before my first semester and it became really tough balancing school, my life, and my mother's medical issue. I was also a Biology major and very confused about what I wanted to do in my life during this time. Took a bunch of classes I never needed (wasted money) and made B's on most of them and 1 C. Then, the following year my mother's health worsened and stupidly during this time I decided to take O-chem while all of this was happening. I ended up failing my first class ever with a D. It took a while for me to bounce back but I eventually did and passed O-chem the second time I retook it. Since then, I've changed my major to Neuroscience (LOVE IT) and have made A's in most of my classes and 2-3 B's in others. Is there anyway to improve my application? I am planning to apply this cycle regardless just to get familiar with the process and hopefully I get an offer or two. However, I am prepare to accept the fact that I may not get in this year so that means I might have a "gap" year to improve myself. I would appreciate any advice/insight! Thank you for taking your time to read this!
  8. I have some concern about my A&P GPA meeting the prerequisite requirement for PA school. As most of you know many PA schools have a minimum GPA requirement of a "B-" or 3.0. In my first term of A&P lab I received a C+, which doesn't meet the minimum requirement. But my overall A&P GPA (3 quarters of lecture and laboratory) does meet the minimum GPA requirement. What will PA schools look at, my individual letter grade or my overall A&P GPA?
  9. Hello all, I've been wandering around this website for quite some time reading peoples' posts and finally decided to try and make my own and have some people who have similar stats as me shed some light. I graduated from the University of Central Florida in August 2018 and I'm retaking A&P 1 & 2 since my university only offered Anatomy and Physiology as separate courses. I did unfortunately get C's in both Anatomy and Physio, however retaking A&P 1 and 2, I received an A in A&P 1 and will most likely receive an A in A&P 2. My cumulative GPA averaged out to about a 3.2 and sGPA of about 3.0-3.1 somewhere in that general area. I got a 297 on the GRE, with my writing section being in about the 95th percentile (not sure if that really matters or not). I also do have a LOR from my A&P professor, I have around 50+ shadowing hours, shadowing a transplant surgeon and psychiatrist. I also currently have been working as a scribe in the Emergency department with not only physicians but PA's as well. I have been a scribe for about 2 years so I'd say more than 1,000 hours and I've contacted some schools who consider it has PCE hours, with that being said I've definitely learned a LOT being a scribe and being exposed to everything and anything in the ER. I also have a letter recommendation who is a PA-C and he's also a faculty member for a universitys PA program as well. So I was wondering, will my GPA ruin my chances of getting in PA school? I really didn't wanna have to take a bunch of science classes if I didn't need to but I've been unfortunately comparing myself to a lot of applicants and I feel like the short end of the stick. Thanks to everyone and anyone who responds, all criticism is welcome. Just please try not to be too rude :)
  10. Hi everyone. I am planning on applying for my second time this upcoming April 2019. This past cycle i decided to apply in June 2018 and didn’t get my apps in until late July. I just applied to two programs that i already qualified for. I think my main error last cycle was applying so late and to so few schools. I should’ve just waited until this cycle, but it is okay because now i am more prepared and have a bulkier application. If anyone could give me advice on areas to improve on that’d be great! Bachelors in Respiratory Care (2017) cGPA: 3.4 (Caspa 2018 calculation) sGpa:3.4 (Casap 2018 calculation) Since last cycle i have taken or i plan to have completed before this cycle: Bio 2(A),Chem 2(A), Genetics (A), Orgo I (TBD, estimating a B+ to be on the safe side), Stat (TBD, est A). This should bring my GPA up to at least a 3.5 - 3.6ish? 3,300 hrs PCE as a Registered Respiratory Therapist (full time current career) 100 hrs volunteer/HCE medical mission trip to Peru. 25 volunteer hours from various events in college 500 hrs leadership experience for running student run organization in college(dance team) 4 years of being on college dance team. 700 hrs non HCE work as nanny of 3 children including one autistic child 24 hrs PA shadowing (cardiac surgery, critical care/pulmonary, plastic surgery) GRE: scheduled for March 30 (have started studying, hoping for a 300) LOR: 1 PA I shadowed, 1 from my Respiratory Care Manager, and one from my Resporatory peogram director/professor(?). I can probably do another PA if that would look better, but I know some schools require a professor Any criticism would be helpful! My goal is to apply before May 15th this cycle to about 7 schools! Thanks in advance everyone!
  11. Hello! I graduated from MSU with a Human Biology Major in Winter 2015. It has been about 3 years since i have graduated. I studied the MCAT and took the test once and did not apply to any med school because of my MCAT score and GPA. i have a GPA 3.0 and not sure about my science gpa about 2.7-2.9 I just got married this summer and have been rethinking about med school and wanted to go to PA school instead It seems as competitive as med school but it is only 2 years of school. I don't have ANY direct paid health care experience only volunteering and haven't taken the GRE yet I am 25 years old and just need some help/guidance on the path. so my questions are: 1.) Should i go to graduate school for 2 years and get good grades to make up for my low GPA 2.) Should i just get as much PCE as i can? and then apply ? if so, which is better? CNA, MA, paramedic, EMT ? 3.) Lastly, should get certified to work as a CNA, MA, paramedic or EMT first, and then work while i go to grad school so i can get PCE and boost my GPA? i don't know where to start because I'm trying to find the most affordable and less time consuming way to be competitive to get into PA school Thank you
  12. Hi everyone!. I was wondering if you could all evaluate the competitveness of my application. Double Major from Rutgers University in Biological Sciences and Exercise Science. My GPA from Biological Sciences is attrocious (~2.2) because I was originally a Pharm D. and transferred out after realizing I was not cut out for it and I wasn't mature enough at the time to handle that level of studies. When I went back to school again for exercise science, my GPA for the 3 semesters was not less than 3.4 but it still wasn't enough to boost my GPA significantly due to having too many credits from the pharmacy program and the biological science degree. I have also done a postbacc in order to boost my gpa and retake my pre-reqs which are 10+ years old. Postbacc GPA while retaking my pre-reqs: 3.64 After the postbacc: cGPA: 2.96 sGPA: 2.94 (I have too many undergrad credits to budge my gpa!) Gen Bio 1 & 2: A Gen Chem 1 & 2 : A A & P 1 & 2: A Biochem: A Microbio: A Statistics: B+ EKG: A Psych: A GRE SCORES Quantitative: 153 Verbal: 155 Analytical: 4.5 I also have clinical health care experience in multiple areas. critical care technician (emergency department) - 450+ hours (present) clinical care technician (neuroscience) - 2300 hours physical therapy aid - 300+ hours Rutgers human anatomy cadaver lab instructor - taught 3 labs per semester for 2 years PA shadowing, dept. of neurosurgery - 271 hours Based on my improved academics and clinical experience. What do you think my chances are of getting into a program? Thank you for your time. I applied to a broad range of schools in order to improve my chances. 31 programs applied to 12 rejections w/out interviews 19 schools waiting for interviews/responses
  13. Hey y’all! First time applicant here. Just got my first rejection letter (first school I’ve heard from) so I’m feeling a little down right now. I’m applying to PA school with a lower gpa and wanted to make a support/advice forum for other people in my situation. I’m just starting my senior year of undergrad and I have a cumulative CASPA gpa of 3.22. My sGPA is a 3.18, nsGPA of 3.36. My BCP total was a 3.07 because Orgo and biochemistry killed my GPA (I got a C+ and C respectively). However my other science gpa is a 3.46. As far as other stats go, I got a 300 cumulative on the GRE (148 verbal, 153 quant and 5.0 on writing) I have about 800-900 hours of HCE/PCE, 500 as a PCT and another 300-400 as a dental technician. I just accepted a scribe position and will be doing about 20 hours a week this and next semester. I also have about 150 volunteer hours and 400 leadership hours through clubs and executive boards I’ve been on. I was also a coxswain on my university division 1 rowing team for a year and a half (which is about 1200 hours of practice time and I was the leader of the boat) I would appreciate any advice/support of people who are in or have been in this situation!
  14. Hello! I Pre-Pa majoring in cell and molecular biology. My school offers an online course in medical terminology over the summer and I'm considering taking it (the course is not required for my degree). In your experience, is this a useful course and is it worth taking? Thank you for any advice!
  15. Hey everyone, I'm currently a junior finishing up my B.S in Bio & Neuroscience and applying next cycle for Pa schools. When I first started college I had a very tough time transitioning from high school due to a plethora of medical problems and undiagnosed ADHD. My grades weren't the best and I had a few F's and W's. I took off several years and became a certified Pharmacy Tech to save money in paying off some loans. My current overall GPA is 3.5ish, however I'm a bit concerned with my transcripts from my early years in college. I just feel like no matter what I do I'll never be a competitive applicant due to some prior circumstances out of my control. Does anyone know how much Pa schools (on average) emphasize the upward trend? I have 3000+ hours of PCE with years of HCE & other outside volunteer work in addition to my transcripts. I'm feeling pretty discouraged so any help would be appreciated, thank you
  16. I am concerned about my GPA. As a background, I am a non traditional pre-PA student. I graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in Psychology more than 20 years ago from a foreign university. For the past year, I had been retaking all required pre-requisites to be able to apply to PA school. I am planning to apply next cycle (April 2019). Anyway, my concern is this: I think my cGPA from my foreign university will not even reach a 3 but my cGPA from retaking the pre-requisites (this past year)is a 3.89 and my sGPA is a 4. My patient care hours probably amounts to more than 5000 hrs and counting. Do you guys think I have a chance of getting an acceptance to PA school? Any suggestions? Opinions? Thanks!
  17. I applied to PA school, but it is highly unlikely that I will be accepted due to a low GPA (>3.0) and a downward grade trend. With that being said I do not intend to do a post-bac or Master's degree to raise it, but would instead like advice on other career paths I could qualify for with career advancement available. I have a B.S. in Applied Nutrition and have experience as both a Medical Assistant and Health and Wellness coach. I also have my EMT-B license, but I do not wish to work in EMS. I wanted a thread that addressed other career paths students in my situation who are not looking to reapply and do not have the financial means to further their education could realistically follow. Thank you in advance!
  18. Hello, I am trying to calculate my caspa cGPA and sGPA and I know AP credits aren't included in the calculation but I was wondering if anyone knew if post-secondary classes are which are classes I took in highschool at a community college near me? Thank You!!!
  19. Hello Everyone, This is my first time posting here on the forum and was hoping I could get some direction seeing as I have already benefited so much from reading past posts. I just submitted my application for the first time. I have an overall science GPA of 3.31 and my overall non-science is a 3.47. I am 31 years old and have been working as a sonographer for the past five years at a government hospital. I could go into more stats, but my main question has to do with last year’s grades. The last two semesters I withdrew (received a W) from genetics due to my aunt having cancer. I went in with good intentions, but realized I knew I needed to take time off. I mentioned it briefly in my personal statement, but didn’t want to spend much time on it or seem as though I was trying to negate the blame. I know schools look for an upward trend, so my question is will these recent W’s inhibit my admission? Thank you in advance
  20. I'm considering completing an online medical assisting certification course in order to start gaining more varied PCE as an MA. After reviewing posts here I found https://www.uscareerinstitute.edu/certificates/health-care-programs/medical-assistant which would essentially allow me to complete the certification course as quickly as time allows and prepare me for the CCMA exam. Does anyone have experience taking an online certification course to become an MA and have advice or input? I'm in California and have reviewed the state-specific requirements. I was also wondering whether anyone has been able to transfer their online course credits to count towards their cumulative GPA? My cGPA is on the lower end and this would be an amazing opportunity to improve it.
  21. Does anyone know why CASPA does not consider Developmental Biology as a science course? I thought it would contribute to science GPA. Am I missing something?
  22. Evening folks, Let me preface this by saying I wasn't a strong student in my original (philosophy) undergrad, but I've been digging out of that hole for 7 years since and my application is strong outside of my overall GPA. And this is my first application cycle and experience with CASPA. Issue: I got my verification notification today and cracked open my application pdfs to check them: My total earned (graded) credits is off, as are my quality points. 9.5 earned credits and 12.4 quality points, to be exact. The only thing I can figure is that they double-entered some of my less desirable courses. But the big issue here is that the difference is just enough to pop my overall GPA under a 3.0, which is the cutoff for every program I've applied to. It's verified. So it's been sent to my programs already? I sent them my excel work and unofficial transcripts for reference; I attached the excel sheet with my calculations in case anybody is curious - or wants to check my math. Questions: Can/will CASPA fix this? (Is the spreadsheet I provided enough to be convincing?) Should I be notifying my programs on my own that I'm currently disputing my GPA with CASPA? (I'm worried they may decide to toss my application when they see a sub-3.0 overall gpa) Thanks in advance, and sorry if this is long-winded or convoluted. I may or not be panicking a bit currently (CASPA was "in a meeting" when I tried to call them at 16:00) Credit Hours shareable.xlsx
  23. Hi everyone, is there such thing as a pre-pre PA? lol jk I'm just curious how everyone is calculating their overall science GPA (sGPA). The reason I am asking is because the variety of program requirements that I have looked at all require different science pre-reqs, so when I am seeing people write their stats in, I'm just curious how its all amounting up when every program is different. Thank you in advance for any and all input!
  24. Hi there! New to the community - I finally decided to make an account after reading through a ton of helpful forum posts ? Currently struggling with what to do to set myself up in the best way for PA school. I am 23 and just graduated two weeks ago with a B.S. of Health Science and during my final final exam week came to the realization that pursuing MD/DO wasn't the right match for me given my personal aspirations (family, time, etc.). I started off my freshman year getting 4.0s in every class, then had a drastic drop in my late sophomore/entire junior year GPA. I made the decision to transfer home to reground and refocus on my priorities. Following this, my grades improved significantly. I finished with a overall 3.38 cGPA at my second university, however my prior schooling and repeats of a handful of classes left me with an overall cGPA 2.99 and sGPA of 2.82 - which is obviously making me feel discouraged? Currently, I am set to be accepted to an 1-year accelerated nursing program starting in May 2019 to become an RN. I also got accepted to Case Western's Medical Physiology master's program and am waiting to hear back on one other MS program. I am leaning toward becoming an RN as I'm thinking this would give me more purpose and satisfaction in work rather than struggling to find a medical job without having any certification until I can further my education/career. I am also not sure how much benefit a general science master's degree would have overall or when applying to PA programs and, with that being said, given the cost of getting a masters...I'm hesitant to commit. The last two bonuses of being an RN, I'd be able to get my finances together and some quality HCE for a couple years before pursuing PA school. SO, my questions and confusion: Most important --> 1) What is the best way of raising my GPA and chances for PA school? Taking general or upper level sciences? Technically my GPA would bump up by doing the nursing program, however a few of my PA pre-reqs are low even after a couple repeats so I am concerned about this. 2) Should I repeat my pre-reqs? I noticed some schools say that you have to have taken these classes within 6 years of applying. By the time I apply, some of my pre-reqs will be past this and I would have to retake them anyway if this is the case. Am I not understanding this correctly? 3) What are thoughts on pursuing master's programs in relation to PA school? Benefits? Has anyone done this and would you do it again if you had the choice? Here are my stats again: cGPA: 2.99 // sGPA: 2.82 // GRE: v - 154/65th percentile, q - 153/51st percentile, w - 3.5 // Current paid HCE: 432 // Volunteer HCE: 652 I'm sorry this is long, but I am open to any and all words of advice anyone is willing to offer! Hopefully, this will help others as well - I've read a lot of uplifting forums that give me hope that it is still possible to achieve our goals! Thank you to all in advance!
  25. I went to a school my freshman year and did terribly, changed my major a couple of times and later transferred. Stats: cGPA: 2.5 sGPA: 3.8 GRE: 328 HCE: 6,000 + hrs (Nurse Assistant) Shadowing: 0 (in progress) Several leadership positions Some volunteering (10 hrs. Still in progress)
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