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  1. Hello All, I hope you are doing well. I was just curious if anyone has run into the same issue with shadowing that i am in currently. So, unfortunately I dont have the connections to other PAs like some people do, so this leads to having to go above and beyond to try to find PAs to shadow. I finally found one that is willing to take me on that doesn't currently have PA students with them (I go to Gannon University and I live close to Mercyhurst University, which both have PA programs), however, they want me to pay $50 per shadowing visit. I have never heard of anything like this before. Is this normal to pay $50/per shadow experience? Or is this just a UPMC thing. Is it worth it? Or should i keep trying to find other facilities that dont require such. - Zach
  2. I'm thinking of finishing my BS as a chemistry major. Is there any benefit for this as a Dermatologist PA? Any info is helpful, thank you!
  3. Hi! This fall I will commence my undergraduate studies at SUNY Cortland and I'm pretty concerned with being prepared for applying to PA programs, especially in regards to obtaining direct patient care hours. I was doing research and there are programs in which their accepted candidates average or will have even have more than 4,000 hours. This is quite the daunting task considering I plan to be a full-time student over the next four years. As of now, I plan on being involved in the campus EMS squad where I will receive training and will be required to serve a minimum of two 12-hour shifts per semester. However, I will aim to serve at least 1 of these shifts every week. Do these volunteer hours count as direct patient care hours? Additionally, the squad will pay for my EMT-B training throughout this upcoming year's spring semester if I agree to volunteer for them for the two semesters of my sophomore year. Thus, I will be able to at least volunteer as an EMT-B over the next few summers as well. Cortland Regional Medical Center is also a five-minute drive from the university, so I will most likely be able to shadow and volunteer here, but they are not a teaching hospital so they do not often have training experiences. So my overarching question is how am I supposed to get the hours I need by the fall of my senior year when application season begins? Will I most likely have to accumulate hours for another year after my undergrad? Furthermore, are there any other positions I can seek to display diversity within the hours I accumulate, and are there any other pieces of advice you can offer me as I begin to plan? Thanks for all the help!
  4. Hello, fellow pre-PAs. I have chosen human physiology as my undergrad with a minor in Spanish. What do you think of this major in regards to applying for PA school? Is anyone here pursuing the same degree? My top program choice is the Oregon Health and Science University. My goal is to become an Orthopedic surgery PA. Any opinions or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance
  5. Is a degree in a natural science like chemistry or biology more beneficial than a degree in something like psychology? Does one prepare you more for PA school than another? I was going to go to college for a Bachelor of Science in Psychology with a minor in Personal Health. Obviously, my end goal is to become a PA. I’m currently in the process of becoming a surgical technician, and would like to be a surgical PA. When I look at actual PA programs curriculum (at least near me), they don’t seem to be heavily science-based in terms of like Organic Chemistry, Biology, etc other than the prerequisites to get accepted. Once you get accepted though, the context looks a lot less detailed on those things. Am I missing something? From my perspective, a psychology degree would be just as beneficial as biology. Am I wrong?
  6. Hello All, I am relatively new to the pre-PA profession but after a lot of soul searching, I am going to apply again to schools this year. Last year, I only applied to 5 schools. I need help deciding what to do between now and application time. I know there's only a few months left before CASPA opens, but any help is appreciated. Here are some stats about me: Undergrad GPA Overall: 2.5 Science: 2.4 MPH GPA Overall: 3.8 Science classes (2): 4.0 Post-bacc GPA (1 year): Overal: 3.85 Science: 4.0 (got a B in calculus) Misc: Took sociology online (A), anatomy and physio for my masters online (A), and taking psychology this semester online (hopefully get an A). Critique my plan please: I had no luck last cycle, a 310 composite GPA and a 6/6 on the writing portion, 1000+ PCE, working in biotech now (pays well so not sure if I need to switch jobs for more PCE, would rather work on weekends in PCE if possible), 2000+ HCE Plan: Apply earlier this time for sure. Applied in October last time My undergrad gpa had so many credits from me not passing classes, hence the MPH (which I love the subject but quickly found it is not a lucrative career to pay back student loans) and post bacc Retaking psychology online Hopefully taking micro online for the first time Maybe taking ochem/biochem online again Stats for pre reqs: Gen chem (A), bio (A), ochem (C), anatomy/physio (A), sociology (A), psychology (C), stats (A), english (A) Should I just retake the pre reqs? Should I fill in some science classes? I think I redid how long it will take me to bring up my GPA to above a 3.0 for both and it's another year of full time classes MAYBE to get a 3.0 I have no shadowing, so planning to shadow a PA (I've shadowed an MD and DO) applying to MA jobs (I was an MA without the certification) targeting schools that emphasize the last 60 units calling/emailing schools to ask if they will take my app if below a 3.0 Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated! I work full time in biotech right now and would love to stay working if possible. I know my GPA is a low point hence me trying to fix it. Thank you!
  7. So my graduation date is slowly approaching, and I have been looking into becoming a PA for the past year or so and I have decided I want to go for it. My question is not about classes or GPA but just about the timeline in general about how and when to apply. I am graduating Fall 2018, so my main question is, should I wait to apply until I have actually physically graduated and apply for the 2019 cycle? Or can I begin applying next year in 2018 since I only have one semester left? I remember in high school, we can start applying for universities during our last year of high school, so I am wondering if it works the same way for this? I have searched everywhere, and all I get is general deadlines, nothing as specific as my question. ANYTHING HELPS! Thanks!
  8. Hello everyone, I was hoping someone could shed some light on my situation. I am currently a paramedic, and have over 10,000 HCE. I was working as a firefighter recruit in the academy and unfortunately got injured twice. I was forced to resign and started working as a paramedic again. I love medicine and I have been working on my undergrad for the past 1.5 years. Currently a senior and all of my prereqs are finished (sgpa 3.7). I have an upward trend in my GPA, which was initially terrible (had bad GPA about 8 years ago when I was going through family issues and wasn't focused in school). I also am starting a pre pa club at my university, and will have a couple hundred hours of Volunteer work. My question is, If I apply to schools that allow me to apply pending my undergrad degree, how does CASPA calculate my GPA, considering I am not completely done and there are some missing credits which could potentially raise my cGPA. Thanks !!
  9. Before I begin, yes I am still just a senior in high school, and yes I know that my goals can change. However, this is what I want as of now, and because it's extremely important to prepare for what I want my future to be, even though it may change, I need to make plans. So PLEASE don't advise me on going to med school or doing something else, it's not what I'm asking for. Now, I've been doing my own research, but I would also love different personal perspectives. As of now, I plan to stay within five hours (maybe more if necessary) away from southern-ish New York because I don't have the money to fly myself and my belongings every time I have to go home and because my parents have very busy work schedules. Ideally, to save money, I would love to go to a more inexpensive school to save money because financial aid is iffy for me. However, if you come from a similar background and you got financial aid, please tell me because I'm not too sure how the financial aid process works yet lol. So, my dad makes 125K+ a year, but due to the very high taxes, a high mortgage, and other expenses that my family has to pay, money is becoming more and more of a worry now that college applications are coming up fast. Additionally, my dad works for Verizon and they went on strike for about 6 weeks last year, and I know it doesn't sound like a long time, but this really set us back because my mom doesn't make much. I will also be taking 5 AP exams in May ($470), there will be yearbook and senior picture fees to take care of, etc., and my family has only saved up a little over $10,000 dollars in my college fund. So my question is, other than financial aid, do you know of any scholarships/organizations/etc. that I could look into to help out with this? Or more importantly, good inexpensive/moderately expensive schools? Btw my mom was born in Dominican Republic so I'm 50% hispanic (my father is white), so that could be relevant information regarding scholarships. To get to the main point, what schools would be good for me knowing this, that I want to become a PA, and that I need to build a strong foundation in what I'll need to know by that time? I will probably major in a biological science - if not biology - unless someone recommends something else. Feel free to input any other relevant information. Thank you to all who respond!
  10. I'm 26 and currently have the prerequisites needed for an associates in nursing. I got into a program and realized I wanted a higher level of education with more involvement in medicine. So now I have no associates but rather large amounts of college credits with a four year gap since taking my prerequisites. Aside from leaving the program in 2014 I had not taken anymore prereqs since 2013. During my freshman year of college I was back and forth about career paths and did not apply myself the best I could of at that time. When sophomore year came around I was ready with a new mindset but life had other plans. I was born birth defect called gastroschisis where the intestines are on the outer abdominal wall, it was all repaired at birth and luckily I had no deficits or gastrointestinal issues until my sophomore year in college where I ended up having four major abdominal surgeries. I had already enrolled in my courses and was mid-way through. It was hard and I continued to push through as quitting wasn't an option in my book. Needless to say my grades weren't stellar, I got a C in English, and mirco. I was already on a wait list for nursing school but was taking the prereqs I needed for the BSN to get ahead start. I then got into the program and decided not to continue after a semester in. Like I said I wanted something more. I was in a funk after that and felt lost as I thought nursing would be my path. I picked up my life and moved to SATX with a new mindset and more stable life in general. Fast forward to the middle of last year where I started to retake the core science glasses that I got B's in. I have retaken A&P 2401 and 2402 with an A in both and I'm currently retaking that micro for a higher grade. Would anyone recommend retaking the English as well as a higher math? Or, should I continue on an uphill trend for my bachelors in psych (as well as add multiple higher level science classes; o chem, psychs etc.) As far as patient care hours I have been a CNA since 2009. Before moving from AZ I worked in a level one trauma center in the pediatric and adult burn unit for three years. I currently work in an ER and have multiple doctors and one professor thus far that are willing to write letters of recommendation. Becoming a PA is what I was meant to do, the passion runs deep and I'm confident I can show an upward trend from my grades here on out. I also plan on shadowing multiple PA's (15+). Any advice or critique would be great.
  11. I am still currently working on my bachelors degree and will finish in May of 2018, hoping to enter a PA program in summer/fall 2018. Many PA programs say that to be eligible you must finish your degree BEFORE you even submit your application! This has limited the amount of schools I can apply to (so far only one in CT). Is anyone else in the same boat right now? I don't want to limit myself to just one school even though I'm trying to stay around CT. I have all the common prereqs finished and an immense amount of PCE hours so that isn't an issue...just looking for any other current undergrads applying to enter PA programs in 2018!!
  12. Hello All, I am curious on people's opinions here especially from those who have done this before. I am currently AD military and am set to get out in two years. I will most likely be able to complete my bachelor degree within that timeframe, however I am only able to take one class at a time, and the education I have been receiving from the base education center (albeit from an accredited university) is lacking. Should I just finish out my degree while still active and apply for PA school, or should I take one or two full time semesters after I get out to better prepare/refresh myself on the more important topics (at the time I get out, it will be 4 years after I completed A&P). Any and all input is appreciated.
  13. Hello forum! Unfortunately, I recently decided that dental school was something I am not willing to do. It is a great career but the main reason I was doing it was because that would make my dad happy. Anyways we had a talk and he was content with my decision. Anyways a little background about me; I am senior undergraduate studying abroad until August 2017. I am intern at a hospital in Madrid working in a schizophrenia research project and part time surgical labatory with rodents. I decided I want to become a physician assistant for many reasons but mainly because it does not require the stress level of a physician has. I will be graduating in May 2018 so even though that is two years from now I am a little behind! I am a biomedical science major and I have an idea of the perquisites to become a PA but I a new to this so all the information is welcomed. The only thing I am really concerned on is shadowing hours. I shadowed my local dentist for about 100 hours but I have no experience with PA shadowing. Coming back to states as a full-time student will make it difficult for me to obtain shadowing experience before application deadlines. Do you any of y´all have any advice for me? It would be reliving if some PA schools didn´t have shadowing hours as a requirement. Anyway, any piece of useful information will be deeply appreciated it! Thanks!
  14. Hello, I am currently finishing up my associate in science and am wondering which undergrad route to take. I was originally planning on working towards a bs in psychology but have recently discovered that my school offers a bachelor's in radiologic technology. This program appeals a bit more, as I feel it will be applicable knowledge for PA school and something to fall back on If I do not get in. I guess my questions are which route would you take and why? Which degree do you think will appeal more to PA programs? Has anyone gone either route and are satisfied? (Cost of both is about the same.) Thank you for your opinion, very much appreciated!
  15. Hi Everyone! I was wondering if anyone had thoughts about this: I'm currently pursuing an undergrad degree. Actually, I'm transferring to a school to finish my degree and I'm trying to figure out what I should major in. I would like to eventually become a PA but some of the schools I'm considering don't have pre-professional programs. I'm particularly interested in Loyola University Chicago. I've read that sometimes it's even more desirable to get a degree thats not a pre-professsional one, because it shows you have interests and strengths in other disciplines that can still be used in a medical setting. My go-to is psychology because it's something I've been interested in awhile. However, I was looking into Loyolas requirements for their forensic science degree because thats also something thats interested me longer than psychology. I feel like it seems a little random if my end goal is to apply to PA schools, but it seems like a lot of the courses I'd be taking (and have already taken) for this degree could be related to and useful when I do go through PA school. For instance: human osteology, biostats, genetics, cell physiology, chem (gen, org and inorg), physics, calc, forensic toxicology etc.. https://lucweb.luc.edu/advsmt/index.cfm#Program My point is that some of these classes cross over into requirements for some of the PA programs I've looked into but also, I feel like this kind of degree would be more useful for myself in the event that I decided to take time off before applying to PA schools or if I (for whatever reason) decided to change my career track, I'd still have a degree that would be applicable to a profession that I'm interested in. Of course, psychology is also another safer option but forensic science would at least have more classes that would eventually help me while pursuing a PA degree. Any thoughts on this? Is there anyone out there that has a degree in Forensic Science and can give some insight? Sorry for the lengthy post, I'd just really like to know if I'm on a good track here or if there are major holes in my plan that I'm overlooking!! Thanks!
  16. Hi guys and gals, I have a question! I graduated 2013 with a BS in Business. My CGPA is 3.1. Initially, I was a chemistry major so I have about two years worth of sciences done but my grades were not that great. My existing SGPA is 2.7. I plan on retaking all the courses over that I received lower than a B. So my problem is: For the fall semester, I got into the following programs: Pre med post bacc at Hofstra University Non-matriculated program at NYU (applied for post-bacc in the spring) Non-matriculated program at Hunter (applied for post-bacc in the spring) Which program will be the best choice? The general public will obviously choose NYU based on its prestige but I will have no perks of the pre-health advisory and I’ve been warned about their “weeding out” courses. Hosftra, although not the best school, I have all the perks that come with a structured post bacc program but I don’t know if it will give me the competitive edge that I will need to separate myself. I’ve heard great things about Hunter but again, I will have no guidance and I am concerned with not impressing the adcoms. Lastly, I don’t want to wait around an entire semester to see if I got into any of the programs in the spring. I just want some feedback. I just don’t know what to do...
  17. I have a question and concern that I want to post to the forum that is unique to my personal situation. I wish to get feedback. I am very close to applying to PA school. My undergrad GPA is horrible. I have a 2.7. I played soccer while in college and worked part time, thus my focus was not entirely on my school work. I have BS in horticulture. I didn’t find out about PA programs until later. I then started knocking out my pre reqs with all A’s. I only need micro and phys left. I have got my hours volunteering in the ER (1000). I am discouraged because of my very LOW GPA. I do not know if I should continue to take MICRO and PHYS for the fear that I will not get in anywhere. I have a full time job now that is good (not in medicine) (county position) with a pension and I am 27 years old. I want to be a PA as I believe it to be my calling. There is no doubt in my mind that if I got into a school I would be an excellent PA. I am an amazing interviewer and have exemplary interpersonal skills, so I am confident if I got an interview I would crush it. I have reached out and done my due diligence to a degree, However, no schools have been informative or taken the time of day to give me an answer about my situation. Thus, I was hoping I could find the answers via this forum. I also have Italian Citizenship and was curious about opportunities abroad if I cannot get in anywhere in America. I would truly appreciate your time and help with my dilemma. Thank you very much.
  18. I am a 22yr old who recently graduated from UIUC this past May. I have a Bachelor's in Sciences and an Associates in Arts from a community college. In addition to that, I am CNA certified. My undergraduate GPA was 3.22. For the last two years I have been working hard to raise my GPA, so one can see an upward trend on my transcript. However, my science GPA is still unsatisfactory and I am retaking classes this summer to raise it. Here are my stats: Current undergrad GPA: 3.22 Science GPA: approximately 2.67 CNA certified Patient contact hours: ~2500 hours working as a research assistant in Endocrinology department (helping Diabetic patients with medication) and experience working as a CNA. 300+ hours volunteering in hospitals.150 hours working in a Renal Dialysis clinic for 2 years now. GRE scores: VR: 150 QR: 145 I am debating if I should still apply for the 2016 cycle considering that my sGPA is still lower than the required minimum, OR I wait a year, accumulate more hours and raise my GPA while either working as a CNA or Scribe. My two other possible options are either pursuing a Master's or doing Nursing instead. I have a passion for both since my mother is a Nurse and my father is a retired surgeon. I would appreciate any input or advice you guys may have.
  19. HI guys. FIrst, a little about myself. Single full time dad of 2 little ones. FT respiratory therapist with 5 years experience. Now, before my kids were born and before respriratory school had even begun, I knew my goal was to become a PA. My plan was to graduate as an RT, as I did, and gain experience and reapply for shcool for my bacheors. Being an RT is great, but being an RT and supporting 2 kids gets a bit difficult when your constantly streatching yourself between working night shifts and raising children. I had an understanding a long time ago that being a PA fulfilled some sort of home/work balance. Thats whats always intrigued me to the field. Good pay without all the extra OT hours to keep up to pace with lifes curveballs. And of course, I knew i wanted more patient interaction, more responsibility than that of an RT. Now, I am at a point where I am ready to go back to school in the very near future. My dilema is finding a proper undergrad. I am trying to find something that isnt a biology degree (because really, is PA school doesnt work out, WTH am i going to do with a biology degree??) . The only thing that may seem semi interesting to me is Healthcare admin. BUt even that doesnt sound all that appealing. Anywho, what was the path you took before getting into PA school?? I am trying to find my "blueprint" so to speak. Maybe yours could enlighten me. Thanks GUYS ! and BTW what a great forum this is....
  20. I am wondering what the best route to take from your undergrad to PA School is. To me, nursing as opposed to a biology or health sciences, et. would be the most logical, because not only are you taking the same prerequisites as any other major, but you are getting the most hands on experience working directly with patients and in a hospital or other health care setting. You can also get all your clinical hours acquired through this route, and work as a nurse before applying to PA school to finish courses or to pay off loans. Will PA schools see that I am a nurse and think that being a PA was just a second option (which in reality it is the primary goal) and therefore not consider the application as much? Also, will this discourage my advisors and other people I will be working under or learning under during nursing school? I understand getting into PA school is very difficult and extremely competitive and that is why I want something good to fall back on with my undergraduate degree, and nursing has many routes I can take as opposed to some other undergraduate degrees. Any thoughts on this route or if not, a better major to choose?
  21. I am currently going into my senior year of high school and starting to think about what I want to do with my life. Which way of becoming a PA would be better, going to undergrad for 4 years to get a BS then applying to a PA school or getting into a 5 year PA program which gives you a BS and certification of being a PA? I'm in the NYC area so could go to Hunter for undergrad then transfer or go right into the CCNY PA program. Any reviews on that? Thank you!!
  22. Hello everyone! New to the forum and glad to be here! I'm very interested in a career as a PA and I'm trying to figure out which path I should take. I am getting ready to transfer to the University of Washington with the intent of earning a BS in general biology in order to meet my pre-req requirements and hopefully then a) getting an entry level medical job or b) joining the Air Force and go for Pararescue, both in order to gain some experience and to have some funding before going to PA school. I'm wondering if this is a common path that I can be confident in and run with, or if I should reconsider my options and change my degree while it's still relatively early. I'm running short on time, so any input is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
  23. I am a 23 year old CNA currently getting my AS and Surgical Technology certification at community college. I am very excited to work in the OR and want to become a Surgical PA. However, with clinicals starting I have some concerns about what undergraduate path to take. (I am confident in my grades, I did very well in my science classes and my current gpa is a 3.4) Jefferson University has a partnership with my community college and because I will have satisfied more than 50% of my prerequisites at Community College I can get my BS and Cardiovascular Catheterization Technology Certification in one year. (12 months full-time) My questions are these: (finally) 1. Will it hurt my chances of getting into a good (Surgical) Physician Assistant program if I "rush" into this one year BS option? 2. Will taking the Surgical Tech & Cardio Cath Tech track help me get into a Surgical Physician Assistant program or would I have the same chance if I went to a higher ranking college for Biology? (I didn't know how to word that without it seeming offensive to Jefferson students. I really don't mean to offend.) For those of you who may recommend that I look into med school please know that I have my reasons for preferring a career as a Surgical PA but I am open to comments on the subject. I am most interested in working in the OR and am looking for the right path to lead me there. This site has been so incredibly helpful and any advice you guys have would be so greatly appreciated!
  24. I have just been accepted to PA school at the University of Colordo - Denver and I was wondering if anyone actually referred back to their textbooks from undergrad? Basically, I am wondering if they are worth keeping (and moving across the US) or if I should donate/sell them?? I figure my anatomy book is worth keeping but what about various chemistry textbooks? Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks
  25. Hi everyone, This is going to be a bit long, so please bear with me. I am currently an undergraduate student going for a B.S. in Psychobiology. After completing two years of undergrad, I have earned an incredibly low 2.7 cumulative gpa. My science gpa is shamefully a lot lower; admittedly, I barely passed most of my science pre-req classes with Cs. These first two years have been a complete mess and there are no excuses. I had no goals, there was no motivation in school and, in effect, I didn't take my courses seriously. I knew that my attitude would bite me in the end, but for some reason I had this mindset that I would figure it all out later. I know, it was very naive of me to think like that. In the last quarter of my second year, I failed my Physics course, and I am retaking it again this summer. I guess it was in this moment where I realized that I needed to get my act together. After completing my second year and getting some time off from school, I did a little researching and found that the path of being a Physician Assistant seems more and more appealing to me. I am ready to buckle down and take college more seriously this time around. I know that I am an unappealing candidate for PA school at the moment. I would like some advice on how to turn this mess around. Unfortunately, I have completed almost all of my science pre-reqs (except Physics, anatomy, physiology) and will soon tackle my upper division courses, which are purely psychology courses (yeah, it's a bit weird, and kind of hard to grasp how my major integrates the two disciplines together). Where should I go from here? What should I do after undergrad? Should I go back to community college and retake my science courses in where I received Cs in to earn a better GPA (mind you, I received Cs in the bulk of my science courses)? I heard that PA schools average out both your retaken courses and your original grade.And what should I do to make myself more of an outstanding applicant since my GPA is currently non-competitive? As for extra-cirricular activities, I am currently involved in a few things, but they don't really pertain to the medical field. I am involved in research in a Psychology lab where we perform computer based experiments on participants that deal with cognitive memory. I am thinking of transferring to a more science based lab, however, or be involved in something where I can hopefully tie into what I'm doing in the future. I am a volunteer at a hospital that is right next to my university. But essentially, I just talk to patients in the waiting room and ask if they are in need of assistance in finding potential resources that they are in need/interested in (such as dental or health insurance, finding programs if they are a low-income family, etc.). The program hosts this volunteering program also offers a quarter long physician shadowing program, though, so I think I am going to apply to that this upcoming year. I also am working as an assistant to a surgery coordinator in the hospital, but it's mainly just clerical work. And lastly, I am in two youth empowerment organizations on campus, one of which I tutor/mentor high school students and another in which I am a camp counselor for kids who come from underprivileged areas in LA. Please, any solid advice would be appreciated, on where to go from here, what I can do to be more involved in the medical field, anything. Even a little reassurance is appreciated! I think I'm just going through an identity crisis right now and I've realized I made a huge mistake. I regret not taking my classes more seriously. I've thought about it and I really do enjoy helping others. I feel like the medical field reflects my caring personality in wanting to make a difference. And after learning more about the PA career, it just had some great trade offs for a field that is so demanding. Thanks for your time.
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